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Old May 5, 2012 | 07:28 AM
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No, but I should be picking it up today or tomorrow. After the theft incident I have been moving all my equipment in my spare time. I should get almost all of it moved today and then I will have time to go pick it up.
 
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Old May 5, 2012 | 08:22 AM
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No, but I should be picking it up today or tomorrow. After the theft incident I have been moving all my equipment in my spare time. I should get almost all of it moved today and then I will have time to go pick it up.
Spare time? Buying a house, dealing with the theft, moving what's left.... Doubt you had much time.

Btw, have you heard from James re the drive shaft? He said he would call when it is ready and indicated it would be early this week, but I realized he may not have my number. No hurry, just wondering. But, I do want to go in and talk with his boss re the ZF5 clutch, so am looking forward to it.
 
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Old May 5, 2012 | 11:30 AM
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I thought I had posted another response... Sorry Gary...

Like I said before, I would go to the next smaller rod, .073, and see what happens while using the factory spec plug. Easier to change two little rods than 8 plugs.

The only reason I would go to colder plugs is if the truck was a highway cruiser, long trips. Hotter plugs for short trips, in town driving.
 
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Old May 5, 2012 | 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Stangrcr1
I thought I had posted another response... Sorry Gary...

Like I said before, I would go to the next smaller rod, .073, and see what happens while using the factory spec plug. Easier to change two little rods than 8 plugs.

The only reason I would go to colder plugs is if the truck was a highway cruiser, long trips. Hotter plugs for short trips, in town driving.
Actually, since the plugs are out it'll be easier to do plugs and then rods. But, rods are soooo easy on the AFB that it isn't worth worrying about. Think I'll do the plugs and check it on a short run and report back. Anyway, tnx.
 
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Old May 5, 2012 | 07:29 PM
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OK, Rusty's shaft is done. James had a few parts laying around that were considered used. What they actually are were previously installed parts that customers couldnt afford and had them removed. So they havent actually seen any live combat. The stub shaft was new,but , the slip yoke was previously installed. He also had one of the Ford Special U joints laying around that was previously installed(probably from the same job)that he put on as well. Of course he balanced it and cleaned it up as well as painted it.

He mentioned something about the U joint that was already installed on the other end had the wrong snap rings on it. Somebody used the inside variety on an outside application. He thought it would work until it doesnt work(whatever that means). He also said he feels sorry for the next guy that has to change it.
 
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Old May 5, 2012 | 07:48 PM
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The snap rings he is reffering to have a chamfer to the opening. It is there to make it easy to remove when properly installed on the outside of the cup, ie: \ / where the snap ring pliers would go in from the bottom of the vee to spread the ring open. When installed inside, the chamfer looks like \_/ and there are no holes in the snap ring,. nothing to grab on to.
 
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Old May 5, 2012 | 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by bruno2
OK, Rusty's shaft is done. James had a few parts laying around that were considered used. What they actually are were previously installed parts that customers couldnt afford and had them removed. So they havent actually seen any live combat. The stub shaft was new,but , the slip yoke was previously installed. He also had one of the Ford Special U joints laying around that was previously installed(probably from the same job)that he put on as well. Of course he balanced it and cleaned it up as well as painted it.

He mentioned something about the U joint that was already installed on the other end had the wrong snap rings on it. Somebody used the inside variety on an outside application. He thought it would work until it doesnt work(whatever that means). He also said he feels sorry for the next guy that has to change it.
If that joint fails said "next guy" is welcome to bring it over to the dummy that put those rings in. Not sure how he's going to get them out 'cause he's already tried and failed.

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The snap rings he is reffering to have a chamfer to the opening. It is there to make it easy to remove when properly installed on the outside of the cup, ie: \ / where the snap ring pliers would go in from the bottom of the vee to spread the ring open. When installed inside, the chamfer looks like \_/ and there are no holes in the snap ring,. nothing to grab on to.
NOW he tells me.
 
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Old May 6, 2012 | 01:30 AM
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James said he would go straight to the torch if it were him.
 
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Old May 6, 2012 | 01:30 AM
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I have seen them removed two ways. One was drill a small hole opposite the groove the ring sits it and push/punch it out, or weld a rod to the ring near the gap and work it out.

Drilling is much easier.

If the joint has a grease fitting, and you lube it at each oil change, it should last forever making the above irrelevant.
 
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Old May 6, 2012 | 07:54 AM
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The joint has a grease fitting, and I will lube it well. Who knows what the NO will do. But, I've seen joints that were seemingly well-lubed fail apparently due to abuse. Again, who knows what the NO will do.

But, my plan was to drill and push it out. Won't take a very big hole to go in with a pin-punch and bring it out far enough to get a screwdriver behind it.
 
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Old May 6, 2012 | 09:16 AM
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The new joint james put in should be a Dana. I dont know what it is about their joints ,but, they are built well. Most of the 4x4 guys prefer them over the high strength or solid U joints classified as heavy duty. My F 250 has the Dana joints from stem to stern. I haul heavy loads as well as do abusive things to it while working. The joints have been in there for several yrs. I check them for slack and slop every time I grease them when its time for service. So far they havent loosened up any at all.
 
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Old May 6, 2012 | 09:26 AM
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Bruno, Dana uses a steel forging, probably AISI 4340, most of the solid joints are made of powdered metal or something like AISI 8620 which is a high carbon case hardenable steel. Either will fail by shattering rather then shearing and at a much lower load.
 
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Old May 7, 2012 | 04:55 PM
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Put the colder plugs in Rusty, finally, today. And, I'm pretty sure I got any leak in the oil pressure sender unit fixed, but I'm not sure that all of the leak was in that. Drove it around the neighborhood a bit and it didn't leak, but we'll see tomorrow, as I'm taking it down to Bruno's 'hood to pick up the new drive shaft.

And, I'll pull a/the plugs when I get home to see what it/they look like and post a picture. We'll do this in two steps so I know what does what to whom.
 
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Ok, Gary, any updates on this?
 
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Old May 8, 2012 | 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by 85lebaront2
Ok, Gary, any updates on this?
Yes, and no. I'm at James' house to get the drive shaft. Brought Rusty down and will pull a plug or two when I get home. Only difference I can tell, and it may be imagination, is that it is a bit more cold-blooded. But, no diff when warm.

I do have a vibration, but I'd noticed it before the plug change. Don't believe it is tires. It is slight and strongest at 60-65, which fits with tires but it just doesn't feel like tires. Anyway, not a large vibe, just something to find. Maybe pilot bearing?
 
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