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Old Jan 22, 2014 | 09:39 PM
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Thanks Tom , yes they are stock replacement shocks for the EX. Glad to hear they will still work with the swap. Another Question anyone know of a good place to look for or find V/b code springs in southern california ? redlands area i have called a few places but no luck.. or anybody online
 
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Old Jan 22, 2014 | 09:46 PM
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Thanks Tom , yes they are stock replacement shocks for the EX. Glad to hear they will still work with the swap. Another Question anyone know of a good place to look for or find V/b code springs in southern california ? redlands area i have called a few places but no luck.. or anybody online
Be careful with the spring purchase, Cary always told me to stick with the OEM parts on this because some of the aftermarket springs aren't made to the same specifications.
 
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Old Jan 22, 2014 | 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by WE3ZS
Thanks Rich, I think your buggy turned out real nice too!
This is the only pic I have with the 35"s, it's not the best but it does look better with the wheelwells filled up some more. They are the Nitto Dura Grapplers 305/70R18E.
I'm jealous - I really want to change to 18" rims as well........
 
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Old Jan 22, 2014 | 10:01 PM
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Yeah, that sounds like quite the load. You do realize that you will be exceeding the EX's hitch rating and rear axle load rating with that in tow. I would recommend having the hitch reinforced, using a good WD hitch with sway control properly setup using a CAT scale (will give individual axle weights of EX and trailer), load range E tires and maintaining at least 10% and closer to 15% of the trailer's weight as tongue weight. You will also need to have the heavier rear springs from a SD truck, like the B codes.
Even with these mods and setups you will still be over on the hitch's rating (but it has been reinforced to handle the load) and the EX's rear axle weight rating (but with the heavier truck springs your axle/spring should be as good as the F-250/350 higher ratings). You will need to be comfortable accepting the liability of running over these ratings.
While I agree with most of that...these things are really a reg cab long bed truck....I have towed that same load with an 89 chevy 2500 with a tbi 350 and th400. With a semi float 14 bolt rear..

Really these have a 10.5 sterling rear, same as the majority of the superduties. IF i had to guess, they are rated low for the crappy suspension that comes under them, not the axle. As for the hitch...if it seem weak, nothing a welder and some steel cant fix.
 
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Old Jan 22, 2014 | 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by robert_l_ross
The modded springs give you height AND stiffness, where the un-modded springs and blocks give you height only.
Modded...Modded B's
Un-Modded...B's

Since the entire post I put up was about V/Modded B's, kinda thought that was understood.

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Actually Robert, the B codes are stronger/stiffer than the factory EX rears.
Well, yes...that's the entire point of the swap isn't it?

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Have you scaled your front axle with and without air bag assist to verify weight transfer Robert?
Yes...I have. The front if memory serves had something like 200 or 300 lbs more than pre-bag install. As much as I might get with a WD hitch? No, but as I said, every bit counts.
 
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Old Jan 22, 2014 | 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Jwagen
HEY guy new to the forum and just bought new rancho 9000s Part#RS999267 for the front and #RS999266 for the rear.. I have a 2000 V10 limited 175K I have quite a bit of sag in the drivers front spring and even driver rear.. im looking at this swap for the spring but my question is now.. Will these shocks work if i do the spring swap or will i have to buy the bigger shocks? or should i just replace stock springs to get rid of the sag? thanks again .
Jwagen...if you are referencing the V/Modded B combo (stock blocks), the OEM stock length is fine.
 
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Old Jan 22, 2014 | 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by robert_l_ross
Modded...Modded B's
Un-Modded...B's

Since the entire post I put up was about V/Modded B's, kinda thought that was understood.

Gottcha Robert, I was just reading it as something different.

Well, yes...that's the entire point of the swap isn't it?

Yup! No offense meant brother.


Yes...I have. The front if memory serves had something like 200 or 300 lbs more than pre-bag install. As much as I might get with a WD hitch? No, but as I said, every bit counts.
Wow, I'm surprised that the front reloaded that well! Thanks for that interesting bit of feedback. I had never seen anyone report on air bag's reloading the frontend before. I had always (mistakenly now I assume...) assumed the bags wouldn't really do much for front weights.
Thanks Robert! Now I learned my "something new" for today.
 
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Old Jan 22, 2014 | 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by WE3ZS
Wow, I'm surprised that the front reloaded that well!
My guess is that 2" of rise from the air bags lifting the rear to a level stance is allowing some weight to be put back on the front tires. It's not much at all when you think of it, but even 50lbs per tire is more grip that can help you brake.
 
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Old Jan 23, 2014 | 02:23 PM
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Well the plan is to pull a 23' deck over with a 6k truggy to offroad events. Trailer loaded with spares and full is under 10-12k....
I would give Cary a call at CT Performance, he is a great guy that always takes time to help. Just let him know what you plan to do with the vehicle and he'll give you some tips.

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I can't wait to see how his 2010 front axle swap turns out......
 
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Old Jan 25, 2014 | 04:45 PM
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So I am 99% sure I am getting an Ex, just waiting on the bank. This will be the first thing done to it.

After more reading and thinking...The plan is to do v code fronts, and modded B code rears. I will keep the stock ex block. But had anyone done 3 springs from the old rear packs and transferred them to the B codes. Or done 2 springs and a chunk of the old overload.

I Do NOT want level at ride height unloaded..a slight rake is desired
 
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Old Jan 25, 2014 | 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by pennsylvaniabo
So I am 99% sure I am getting an Ex, just waiting on the bank. This will be the first thing done to it.

After more reading and thinking...The plan is to do v code fronts, and modded B code rears. I will keep the stock ex block. But had anyone done 3 springs from the old rear packs and transferred them to the B codes. Or done 2 springs and a chunk of the old overload.

I Do NOT want level at ride height unloaded..a slight rake is desired
Yes some of us have, Tom WE3ZS, and myself have both used the new overload spring from the B-code up in the front as an add-a-leaf, I gained another 7/8'" from it to my X-codes, 7'16" was from leaf thickness alone. drill a hole in each end for the pads from one of your old springs to prevent squeaks
 
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Old Jan 25, 2014 | 05:24 PM
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I am talking about the rear. The front will just be plain V codes. I am talking about the rear. Adding the normal 2 plys, and then debating about a 3rd ply, or cutting a chunk off the old overload and going between the packs and the new overload. This is for the rear...
 
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Old Jan 25, 2014 | 05:26 PM
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Sorry misread your question, Tom did do some other modifications to his rear pack but I dont recall exactly what they were, most just do the usual mod with the addition of the EX shims

Straight up V-codes and modded B's should give you a rake, but adding a cut off section will obviously lift the rear whatever the thickness of that piece of leaf is
 
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Old Jan 25, 2014 | 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by pennsylvaniabo
I am talking about the rear. Adding the normal 2 plys, and then debating about a 3rd ply, I think member "Tylus" added three leaves to his SD rear springs, search his threads for more info. or cutting a chunk off the old overload and going between the packs and the new overload.
If you add a section of the EX factory "slapper" style traction bar, (It's NOT an overload, it's a traction bar designed to fight the axle wrap these weak springs suffer from.) Then don't put it between the spring pack and the new SD bottom overload leaf, put it under the new overload (thick flat bottom leaf on B codes) and on top of the EX's factory block leaving the cut section a few inches longer than the block's length. This will give you you that little bit of extra height and will not interfere with the function of the bottom overload leaf (plate) on the SD springs. I used 2 sections of the slapper bar on my modded spring pack. Also if the SD B codes you get have the top overload leaf on them take it off, the EX lacks the frame mounted landing pads for the top overloads and that leaf can come in contact with the EX's rear AC lines if left in place and those lines are $$$. The B codes with top overloads (some don't have them) have the single overload leaf mounted above the main pack on a 1" spacer block, both the block and single overload need to come off before mounting the springs on an EX. It's that top B code overload leaf (that can't be used on the rear packs) that a few of us have added to our fronts (both V and X codes) for more lift and firmness.
 
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Old Jan 26, 2014 | 12:45 AM
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Originally Posted by jamesbfishin
Straight up V-codes and modded B's should give you a rake, but adding a cut off section will obviously lift the rear whatever the thickness of that piece of leaf is
True. Mine didn't because I run with a good 200-300lbs of equipment where my 3rd row seat usually goes, so I end up running level...without any gear I'd have a slight rake.
 
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