issues getting engine swap to run, help.
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I'm beginning to think since it starts already, grounding pin 30 may not produce any differance since there isn't a computer to operate the sensors and if the distributor has a electrical module attached to the side it will need the computer to operate the distributor. Maybe that is why it is backfiring, etc. Also a TV cable disconnected or not adjusted could ruin the tranmission quickly. It might be cheaper to find another 1988 Tbird on cragslist to get the missing parts. I bought a 1995 tbird last year, took off what I wanted and resold the engine./tranny and then the car. Ended up cheap parts. chuck
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Latest goggle find. (1) Fuel min of 35 PSI.
(2) AOD non-elect until 1993
(3) EEC-IV distributor has a electric sensor in/on Dist.
(4) Has a TV cable to adjust.
(5) Having some sensors to fail has a limp home mode.
(6) Needs the computer. Also attaches to the back of the speedometer.
(7) For a transplant it recommended a prior 1988 engine.
(8) Neu safety provides a ground for MAP and also TPS along with a N or P start function.
Chuck
Hemmings Motor News: Ford AOD Overdrive Transmission
(2) AOD non-elect until 1993
(3) EEC-IV distributor has a electric sensor in/on Dist.
(4) Has a TV cable to adjust.
(5) Having some sensors to fail has a limp home mode.
(6) Needs the computer. Also attaches to the back of the speedometer.
(7) For a transplant it recommended a prior 1988 engine.
(8) Neu safety provides a ground for MAP and also TPS along with a N or P start function.
Chuck
Hemmings Motor News: Ford AOD Overdrive Transmission
Joe and email crasher that might be something! if that MAP sensor doesn't
have a completed circuit then it would work right or at all, could cause that backfiring maybe? but then you never had a malfunction code on that so maybe not...
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carnutt take as much credit as anyone else! there is no "I" in "TEAM"
that's how I like it ! you were looking listening and its all about helping or getting help! And that little red '53 is looking real sweet! looking forward to more pics! I wish I had a building like that!
that's how I like it ! you were looking listening and its all about helping or getting help! And that little red '53 is looking real sweet! looking forward to more pics! I wish I had a building like that!
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Here's a link for the throttle valve adjustment. Don't burn up your tranny by overlooking this.
YouTube - Ford AOD TV cable adjustment
YouTube - Ford AOD TV cable adjustment
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Chuck I think you misread something there...The tranny has no sensors that connect to the computer, but the sensors on the engine are connected to the computer...
That is a great article on the AOD transmission though, I bookmarked that one!
carnutt a FIERO ???
must enjoy go karts huh?
I never owned one, but I did do alot of maintenance on one for a friend...man I hated workin on that thing...mid engine lower back KILLER !!
It was a fun car to drive in the hairpin turns though!
That is a great article on the AOD transmission though, I bookmarked that one!
carnutt a FIERO ???
must enjoy go karts huh? I never owned one, but I did do alot of maintenance on one for a friend...man I hated workin on that thing...mid engine lower back KILLER !!
It was a fun car to drive in the hairpin turns though!
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after grounding out the 30 pin wire, i checked the codes and all we have is 81, 82, and 87. NO 67.
BUT, the motor will start and run for about 2 seconds and then die. even if i give it gas.
i disconnected the battery and im gonna go out there again and check it out again.
BUT, the motor will start and run for about 2 seconds and then die. even if i give it gas.
i disconnected the battery and im gonna go out there again and check it out again.
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Man I don't know what to say...except that something isn't connected right with that setup. when that harness got cut up it's impossible for me to know what the heck is goin on. obviously grounding that pin 30 isn't correct. I have seen many pinout diagrams and they all show pin 30 grounded...i think. I don't want to keep throwin you guys into wild goose chases anymore...I feel bad about this, but I am just as frustrated as you guys now!
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its a goose chase alright LOL but we have to do it or it wont get fixed. you feeding us this info it FREAKIN GREAT. dont get me wrong.
I have "All data" on my computer so it helps a lot. i have given up for the night.
its hard working on cars all day at a shop and then coming home to this LOL
I have "All data" on my computer so it helps a lot. i have given up for the night.
its hard working on cars all day at a shop and then coming home to this LOL
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http://fordfuelinjection.com/files/EFI_harness4.gif i think I post this before but again its a good reference to the 88 you are workin with.
i wish you had an uncut harness just to rule out that problem or at least had a good one to compare connections. i will check back tomorrow.
I told joe and will mention again, FordFueInjection.com is a good source of info on this stuff. most of what I have thrown out here (the links) are from there.you may want to search there.
I have seen that ALL DATA looks helpful, do you like it?
ok guys im out for tonight...
yeah I understand...burnout mode...work at work and work at home...
i wish you had an uncut harness just to rule out that problem or at least had a good one to compare connections. i will check back tomorrow.
I told joe and will mention again, FordFueInjection.com is a good source of info on this stuff. most of what I have thrown out here (the links) are from there.you may want to search there.
I have seen that ALL DATA looks helpful, do you like it?
ok guys im out for tonight...
yeah I understand...burnout mode...work at work and work at home...
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this diagram tells me that pin 30 is NOT supposed to be grounded...but it would be 12 volt from the neutral safety switch.
will someone else verify this? I am not an electrical guy per say...
will someone else verify this? I am not an electrical guy per say...
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Jeff, check this . It came from your previous post. Wires from the TPS and MAP go to 30 and to ground. So it does more than just the Neu safety swirch but how it is affecting the MAP and TPS without a computer I don't know. The article I found said the distributor has a electronic module attached to the side of the dist. I said in previous post no computer for the AOD. Maybe I wasn't very clear the way I wrote it. chuck
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hi Chuck, yes you are correct. I did misunderstand you. yeah the AOD is not controlled by a computer. now as for the pin 30 ordeal....i am still researching all of that. I am assuming that it has to do with engine load when in gear vs park/neutral. just haven't found the answers yet.