Seem's to be tempture related,mine never had the 1st-2nd shift issue up & down tell it got colder here in Florida,took it in and they did the flash above and did not see any improvement yet,the tec said it would have to learn my driving style,well give it a week and see,anyone do the flash and did it fix your's????.

 

Anyone else get the latest TSB done? How is it holding up?

 

I'm still good and the gas milage is up as well.

 

Hi everyone,

Sorry for the delay in reporting my results w/the latest TSB re-flash... part of it is due to my hectic Holiday schedule, but also I've seen some behavior changes over the span of a couple weeks before, so I wanted to wait it out a little... An interesting comment made by the master tech working on my truck was that the previous code sets were not "staying put", i.e., the code was reverting back after a short period of time to a previous version... that would explain why I initially have seen improvement each of the 3 times, then it seems to get worse again...

Whate Newton007 says in this post pretty much describes the behavior to a "T" - unfortunately both before AND after the latest work. Initially, there was some improvement - definitely noticible, but not "fixed" by any stretch. I also agree w/the other sentiment expressed about a 'shot in the dark' regarding their latest code set.

I have a three-month trip I'm taking starting on 7 Jan - otherwise I would start lemon proceedings. NH Lemon Law requires only 3 visits to a dealer to solve a specific problem before you can begin a case. It's clear to me that they don't have this figured out, nor are they likely to in the near future. I'll re-assess in April when I return. Hopefully you'll all have good news for me by then.

BTW - my mileage is down 4mpg as of this change to the low 12's ... just to add insult to injury. As counter-intuitive as it sounds, though, I recommend that you all keep up on the changes being made to the code, so that if they do run across something that works, you'll have it all... You can bet they're not maintaining a baseline of "as delivered" at the Code Fixing Laboratory.

 

Wonder if the 4 speed and the pcm to run it from an 06 expy or the F150(sameplatform) would work in an 07/08 expy,I'm covered tell Nov 2012/ 100,000 mile's with a factory extended warrantee but was just asking.

 

To provide an update to my 07 expedition's transmission.

Last week with all the holiday traffic and such the transmission started doing the same ole crap it has done since day one. Called the dealership, took it by there and had the service manager ride around with me for around 20 minutes or so, so that he could document the fact that it was doing it everytime I took off and came to a stop.

Dropped truck off the next morning, and they reprogrammed again with the newest program out. They said it was just released not too long ago. Everything seems fine now, well at least for now, we will see if this program holds up (unlike any of the others they have done). This was the fourth reprogram. They have also changed out the valve body. I am about fed up with this transmission, if this last reprogram doesnt work, I will either be lemon lawing the truck or getting a whole new transmission put in. We will see which way FORD would prefer me to go. Other than the transmission problems I love the truck.

 

I would definitely file the lemon law paper work if this doesn't help. Doesn't cost much if anything and it will get their attention. It's the only way they felt forced to find my brake problem and fix it.

 

With this colder weather the 07 takes longer to warm up now. The transmission had been starting out the first shift of the day in second instead of 1st. Now with the cooler weather the transmission takes longer to warm up with the result that the transmission starts in 2nd at every stop and then drops to low on take off every time until it warms up. Then It shifts right. So I am now sure it is a temperature related problem for some reason.

In the past, Ford automatic transmissions I have had would always be a little sluggish to shift in cold weather because of the cold fluid, then work fine once warmed up. However they would never jump first gear no matter how cold it was.
As I stated in my past posts at 300 miles I had a reprogram because the transmission would always start out on 2nd no matter what the temperature was. Now at 4700 miles it only does this until it warms up, then works ok.
I will have it looked at at the 5000 mile service that will be coming up soon.
I don't think they got the bugs out of the program yet.

 

mine seems the exact opposite of yours, it works fine when it is cold, but then when it warms up it goes to crap. Since the newest reprogram it is doing better, I am just curious to how long it will last.

Everytime it has been reprogramed it works for a few weeks then seems to go back to the original program.

I am just getting fed up with having to take the truck in and leaving it for a day and not having a vehicle in the mean time.

Hopefully it is fixed for good and I will not have to worry about it anymore.

Lets just hope.

 

Well said... Apparently they don't either, as another re-program was released - making this the fourth for those of you keeping track. I'll be in on Monday to get this done if possible... As always, I'll let you know how it works out...

Happy Holidays!

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• HESITATION AFTER TIP-IN FROM A STOP/BUMP WHILE BRAKING TO A STOP BELOW 10 MPH (16 KM/H) - VEHICLES BUILT BEFORE 12/3/2007

</TD></TR><TR><TD bgColor=#0000ff colSpan=2>Publication Date: December 4, 2007</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<TABLE border=0><TBODY><TR><TD width=230>FORD:
</TD><TD>2007-2008 Expedition</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>




This article supersedes TSB 07-23-6 to add a production fix date. ISSUE:



Some 2007 Expedition vehicles may exhibit a hesitation upon tip-in after braking to a stop and/or a bump while braking to a stop below 10 MPH (16 Km/h). This TSB fixes the bump while braking to a stop and reduces the incidence of tip-in hesitation when accelerating from a stop. Some 2008 Expedition vehicles built before 12/3/2007 may exhibit a bump feeling while braking to a stop below 10 MPH (16 Km/h). This TSB fixes the bump while braking to a stop issue.

ACTION:

Follow the Service Procedure steps to correct the condition.



<TABLE border=0><TBODY><TR><TD width=80>NOTE:</TD><TD>SOME TIP-IN HESITATION IS NORMAL ON THIS TRANSMISSION IN ORDER TO PROVIDE SMOOTH OPERATION. THIS CALIBRATION UPDATE WILL HELP TO IMPROVE THIS CONDITION ON 2007 VEHICLES. 2008 VEHICLES ALREADY HAVE THIS FEATURE INCORPORATED. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>



<TABLE border=0><TBODY><TR><TD width=80>NOTE:</TD><TD>THE HARSH BUMP WHILE BRAKING TO A STOP WILL BE ELIMINATED. SEVERAL DAYS OF DRIVING IS REQUIRED FOR THE TRANSMISSION TO FULLY ADAPT.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

SERVICE PROCEDURE





<TABLE border=0><TBODY><TR><TD width=80>NOTE:</TD><TD>DO NOT ATTEMPT TO REPLACE THE MECHATRONIC UNIT. MECHATRONIC REPAIR/REPLACEMENT IS NOT AUTHORIZED FOR THIS ISSUE.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

1. Install IDS/PDS or equivalent and ID the vehicle.
2. Update the PCM/TCM calibration using IDS release 51.8 and higher or 52.1 and higher. This new calibration is not included in the VCM 2007.11 DVD. Calibration files may also be obtained at www.motorcraft.com. Since the TCM cannot be independently reprogrammed, reprogram the PCM to ensure that engine and transmission calibrations are updated to the latest level simultaneously.
3. Clear TCM keep alive memory (KAM) and adaptive tables.
   1. Using IDS:
      1. Open Toolbox.
      2. Choose Powertrain.
      3. Choose Reset KAM.
      4. Then Choose TCM.
   2. Using PDS:
      1. Choose all Tests and Calibrations.
      2. Scroll down the menu and choose reset TCM KAM.
         
         <TABLE border=0><TBODY><TR><TD width=80>NOTE:</TD><TD>FOR PDS, RESET TCM KAM IS NOT THE SAME AS CLEAR TRANSMISSION ADAPTIVE TABLES, WHICH IS UNDER THE POWERTRAIN - TRANSMISSION MENU TREE.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
         
         
         
         <TABLE border=0><TBODY><TR><TD width=80>NOTE:</TD><TD>UNHOOKING THE BATTERY WILL NOT CLEAR THE TCM KAM.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
         
         
         
         <TABLE border=0><TBODY><TR><TD width=80>NOTE:</TD><TD>DO NOT CLEAR THE PCM KAM.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
         
4. Verify that the transmission fluid temperature (TFT) PID is above 175° F (80° C). If it is not at 175° F (80° C), drive unit approximately 3 miles (5 Km) to reach temperature.
   
   <TABLE border=0><TBODY><TR><TD width=80>NOTE:</TD><TD>TFT MUST BE AT 175° F (80° C) OR ABOVE BEFORE PROCEEDING TO STEP 5.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
   
5. Drive unit to perform adaptive shift strategy learn:
   1. Accelerate from rest with light throttle. The 1-2, 2-3, and 3-4 shifts must occur at engine speeds between 1300-1800 RPM.
   2. Continue to accelerate gently to 50 MPH (80 Km/h) so that the transmission shifts into 6th gear.
   3. Brake gently to a complete stop and hold foot on brake for at least 15 seconds.
   4. Repeat Steps (a-c) a total of five (5) times.

WARRANTY STATUS:

Eligible Under Provisions Of New Vehicle Limited Warranty Coverage
IMPORTANT: Warranty coverage limits/policies are not altered by a TSB. Warranty coverage limits are determined by the identified causal part.

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=3 border=1><TBODY><TR><TH align=middle>OPERATION</TH><TH align=middle>DESCRIPTION</TH><TH align=middle>TIME</TH></TR><TR><TD class=NOBOTTOMBORDER align=left>072505A</TD><TD class=NOBOTTOMBORDER align=left>2007-2008 Expedition: Check Diagnostic Trouble Codes, Reprogram The PCM And TCM, Includes Time To Clear KAM And Perform Road Tests (Do Not Use With 12650D)</TD><TD class=NOBOTTOMBORDER align=left>0.9 Hr.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
DEALER CODING

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=3 border=1><TBODY><TR><TH align=middle>BASIC PART NO.</TH><TH align=middle>CONDITION CODE</TH></TR><TR><TD class=NOBOTTOMBORDER align=middle>recal</TD><TD class=NOBOTTOMBORDER align=middle>04</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<HR>NOTE: The information in Technical Service Bulletins is intended for use by trained, professional technicians with the knowledge, tools, and equipment to do the job properly and safely. It informs these technicians of conditions that may occur on some vehicles, or provides information that could assist in proper vehicle service. The procedures should not be performed by "do-it-yourselfers". Do not assume that a condition described affects your car or truck. Contact a Ford, Lincoln, or Mercury dealership to determine whether the Bulletin applies to your vehicle. Warranty Policy and Extended Service Plan documentation determine Warranty and/or Extended Service Plan coverage unless stated otherwise in the TSB article. The information in this Technical Service Bulletin (TSB) was current at the time of printing. Ford Motor Company reserves the right to supercede this information with updates. The most recent information is available through Ford Motor Company's on-line technical resources.

Copyright © 2007 Ford Motor Company

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Sounds like they are stumbling around in the dark looking for the light switch.

 

I just bought one of the last new '07's and am having the same 1-2 shifting issue from a rolling stop... but geez, with all the issues people seem to be having with the flashing not working for long (or reducing gas mileage, etc.), I'm tempted to just leave it.

Anybody aware of any long-term issues if its left unresolved? I mean, are we looking at tranny damage/replacement down the road?

 

I have not had a problem since the reflash BUT I have an 08.

 

How many miles trouble free?

 

With this cooler weather, the 07 still will start out in 2nd until it warms up.
So I just punch the gas to get it to down shift instead of shifting to low at a stop light like I use to do. It is using more gas this way, but I am tired of shifting by hand.
Guess I will take it in, but hope they don't make it worse seeing that they still have not figured it out yet.
Gee, no wonder they have slipped in the current car manufacturers ratings to #3.