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Old Jul 18, 2008 | 08:15 PM
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Has anyone actually had their tranny Fixed?
 
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Old Jul 18, 2008 | 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by hjsimpson
From the brochure:
These Are the Only Components Not Covered by Ford ESP PremiumCARE

Maintenance/Mechanical
exhaust system (includes catalytic converter),
It may not be covered by ESP but it is a federal law that they have to work on it or replace it, if it wears out, rusts out or what ever with in 8 years.
Also there are secret warranties that not many know about. Google secret warranties.
 
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Old Jul 23, 2008 | 03:41 PM
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After having mine reflashed I would "NOT" recomend anyone letting them reflash your's,It's maybe 50-60% better on the shift's,still not perfect, "BUT" my "MPG" went right in the tank and with fuel price's like they are,this suck's!!!!!,this expy "WAS" amazing before the flash,17-19 MPG in town & mixed, as high as 23 MPG on all hwy/interstate driving, but "NOT" going over 65 MPH, Speed kill's MPG, now Im getting14.5-15.5 in town & mixed and can't get over 19.5-20 on the HWY,ALL ON PAPER, not the onboard MPG calculator, can't understand why a tran's issue reflash has to f$%k up the motor!!!!!!!,My fault, I should have known better after hearing the horror story's on reflashing the 6.0 diesel's, my son is one of them, but I never thought it would apply to the gasser's the same way it did to diesel's,I have the 5 year/100,000 mile warrantee,should have just left it alone and had them put a new one in if it failed,it just may fail anyway,and now it's costing me more fuel,any idea's???,can't go back to the original flash or I would.
 
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Old Aug 13, 2008 | 01:06 PM
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I just had my ECU flashed for the tranny problem. Although the dealer coudn't duplicate, they did it because of the published TSB and the problems I described. Hopefully I don't regret the program update.
 
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Old Aug 13, 2008 | 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by 07EXPYEL
I just had my ECU flashed for the tranny problem. Although the dealer coudn't duplicate, they did it because of the published TSB and the problems I described. Hopefully I don't regret the program update.
-------------post back in a couple week's,maybe a month,when you get a handle on your MPG figure's,that is, if you have kept vary good record's in the past,I would like to know if you also had a 2-3 MPG drop across the board,thank's ahead of time ,poppie.
 
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Old Aug 17, 2008 | 11:36 AM
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I had this done to mine. Cured everything.

FORD: 2007-2008 Expedition


This article supersedes TSB 07-25-5 to update the Service Procedure.

ISSUE:
Some 2007-2008 Expedition vehicles may exhibit a hesitation upon tip-in after braking to a stop and/or a bump while braking to a stop below 10 MPH (16 Km/h). This TSB fixes the bump while braking to a stop and reduces the incidence of tip-in hesitation when accelerating from a stop.

Some 2008 Expedition vehicles built before 12/3/2007 may exhibit a bump feeling while braking to a stop below 10 MPH (16 Km/h). This TSB fixes the bump while braking to a stop issue.

ACTION:
Follow the Service Procedure steps to correct the condition.

NOTE: SOME TIP-IN HESITATION IS NORMAL ON THIS TRANSMISSION IN ORDER TO PROVIDE SMOOTH OPERATION. THIS CALIBRATION UPDATE WILL HELP TO IMPROVE THIS CONDITION ON 2007 VEHICLES. 2008 VEHICLES ALREADY HAVE THIS FEATURE INCORPORATED.



NOTE: THE HARSH BUMP WHILE BRAKING TO A STOP WILL BE ELIMINATED. SEVERAL DAYS OF DRIVING IS REQUIRED FOR THE TRANSMISSION TO FULLY ADAPT.



SERVICE PROCEDURE

NOTE: DO NOT ATTEMPT TO REPLACE THE MECHATRONIC UNIT. MECHATRONIC REPAIR/REPLACEMENT IS NOT AUTHORIZED FOR THIS ISSUE.



Vehicles referenced in this TSB are equipped with a PCM and TCM, and require a coordinated flash. This coordinated flash procedure must be followed exactly as outlined by the IDS. Failure to follow the key cycle procedure without waiting for the IDS prompts, will cause the coordinated flash to fail. The PCM will be updated but the TCM will not be updated and the new files will not be installed. It is critical to follow the IDS prompts to ensure a proper repair.

Install IDS/PDS or equivalent and ID the vehicle.
Update the PCM/TCM calibration using IDS release 51.8 and higher or 52.1 and higher. This new calibration is not included in the VCM 2007.11 DVD. Calibration files may also be obtained at MOTORCRAFT PARTS FOR FORD, LINCOLN OR MERCURY VEHICLES. Since the TCM cannot be independently reprogrammed, reprogram the PCM to ensure that engine and transmission calibrations are updated to the latest level simultaneously.
Clear TCM keep alive memory (KAM) and adaptive tables.
Using IDS:
Open Toolbox.
Choose Powertrain.
Choose Reset KAM.
Then Choose TCM.
Using PDS:
Choose all Tests and Calibrations.
Scroll down the menu and choose reset TCM KAM.
NOTE: FOR PDS, RESET TCM KAM IS NOT THE SAME AS CLEAR TRANSMISSION ADAPTIVE TABLES, WHICH IS UNDER THE POWERTRAIN - TRANSMISSION MENU TREE.



NOTE: UNHOOKING THE BATTERY WILL NOT CLEAR THE TCM KAM.



NOTE: DO NOT CLEAR THE PCM KAM.



Verify that the transmission fluid temperature (TFT) PID is above 175 °F (80 °C). If it is not at 175 °F (80 °C), drive unit approximately 3 miles (5 Km) to reach temperature.
NOTE: TFT MUST BE AT 175 °F (80 °C) OR ABOVE BEFORE PROCEEDING TO STEP 5.



Drive unit to perform adaptive shift strategy learn:
Accelerate from rest with light throttle to 15 MPH (24 Km/h), remove foot from accelerator pedal.
Brake very gently to a complete stop (allow at least six (6) seconds).
Repeat Steps (a-b) a total of five (5) times in the dealership parking lot or similar setting.
Accelerate from rest with light throttle ensuring that the 1-2, 2-3 and 3-4 shifts occur at engine speeds between 1300-1800 RPM.
Continue to accelerate until you achieve 50 MPH (80 Km/h) or the 5-6 upshift.
Brake gently to a complete stop and hold foot on brake for at least 10 seconds.
Repeat steps (e-f) three (3) times.
 
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Old Aug 20, 2008 | 02:38 PM
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for the most part mine has been fixed, but it took me having to send FOMOC a letter threating lemon law to get it fixed. Ford and I are under agreement that if it does it one more time (will be the eighth attempted fix) that they will be replacing it with a new one.

I was having the same issues that most are having, but it really acted up when I was pulling a trailer for 200 miles, fortunately I was able to make it home. Basically I had all the programming issues fixed for the most part, but my 07 had some type of valve that was sticking inside the transmission which was causing the fan clutch to not disengage, in turn telling the transmission it was overheating and rev limiting the engine out. I was having quite a few issues with the transmission and fortunately most of the problems left codes, so it was more easily diagnosed, with the exception of the valve. Obviously the valve had been sticking since I had purchased the truck, because it was doing exactly the same thing since I had purchased it and the service departments did not listen to my concerns. Fortunately it is running good now. Only time will tell if it was actually fixed.

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Old Aug 25, 2008 | 09:39 AM
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What is the TSB # for this one? I am going away for a week and I would like to drop the truck off and have perform the tsb. I have noticed the thump when stopping and now that I know its there it is very annoying.. I have the rolling stop/2nd gear problem too since new but just lived with it..

Originally Posted by ExpyBob
I had this done to mine. Cured everything.

FORD: 2007-2008 Expedition


This article supersedes TSB 07-25-5 to update the Service Procedure.

ISSUE:
Some 2007-2008 Expedition vehicles may exhibit a hesitation upon tip-in after braking to a stop and/or a bump while braking to a stop below 10 MPH (16 Km/h). This TSB fixes the bump while braking to a stop and reduces the incidence of tip-in hesitation when accelerating from a stop.

Some 2008 Expedition vehicles built before 12/3/2007 may exhibit a bump feeling while braking to a stop below 10 MPH (16 Km/h). This TSB fixes the bump while braking to a stop issue.

ACTION:
Follow the Service Procedure steps to correct the condition.

NOTE: SOME TIP-IN HESITATION IS NORMAL ON THIS TRANSMISSION IN ORDER TO PROVIDE SMOOTH OPERATION. THIS CALIBRATION UPDATE WILL HELP TO IMPROVE THIS CONDITION ON 2007 VEHICLES. 2008 VEHICLES ALREADY HAVE THIS FEATURE INCORPORATED.



NOTE: THE HARSH BUMP WHILE BRAKING TO A STOP WILL BE ELIMINATED. SEVERAL DAYS OF DRIVING IS REQUIRED FOR THE TRANSMISSION TO FULLY ADAPT.



SERVICE PROCEDURE

NOTE: DO NOT ATTEMPT TO REPLACE THE MECHATRONIC UNIT. MECHATRONIC REPAIR/REPLACEMENT IS NOT AUTHORIZED FOR THIS ISSUE.



Vehicles referenced in this TSB are equipped with a PCM and TCM, and require a coordinated flash. This coordinated flash procedure must be followed exactly as outlined by the IDS. Failure to follow the key cycle procedure without waiting for the IDS prompts, will cause the coordinated flash to fail. The PCM will be updated but the TCM will not be updated and the new files will not be installed. It is critical to follow the IDS prompts to ensure a proper repair.

Install IDS/PDS or equivalent and ID the vehicle.
Update the PCM/TCM calibration using IDS release 51.8 and higher or 52.1 and higher. This new calibration is not included in the VCM 2007.11 DVD. Calibration files may also be obtained at MOTORCRAFT PARTS FOR FORD, LINCOLN OR MERCURY VEHICLES. Since the TCM cannot be independently reprogrammed, reprogram the PCM to ensure that engine and transmission calibrations are updated to the latest level simultaneously.
Clear TCM keep alive memory (KAM) and adaptive tables.
Using IDS:
Open Toolbox.
Choose Powertrain.
Choose Reset KAM.
Then Choose TCM.
Using PDS:
Choose all Tests and Calibrations.
Scroll down the menu and choose reset TCM KAM.
NOTE: FOR PDS, RESET TCM KAM IS NOT THE SAME AS CLEAR TRANSMISSION ADAPTIVE TABLES, WHICH IS UNDER THE POWERTRAIN - TRANSMISSION MENU TREE.



NOTE: UNHOOKING THE BATTERY WILL NOT CLEAR THE TCM KAM.



NOTE: DO NOT CLEAR THE PCM KAM.



Verify that the transmission fluid temperature (TFT) PID is above 175 °F (80 °C). If it is not at 175 °F (80 °C), drive unit approximately 3 miles (5 Km) to reach temperature.
NOTE: TFT MUST BE AT 175 °F (80 °C) OR ABOVE BEFORE PROCEEDING TO STEP 5.



Drive unit to perform adaptive shift strategy learn:
Accelerate from rest with light throttle to 15 MPH (24 Km/h), remove foot from accelerator pedal.
Brake very gently to a complete stop (allow at least six (6) seconds).
Repeat Steps (a-b) a total of five (5) times in the dealership parking lot or similar setting.
Accelerate from rest with light throttle ensuring that the 1-2, 2-3 and 3-4 shifts occur at engine speeds between 1300-1800 RPM.
Continue to accelerate until you achieve 50 MPH (80 Km/h) or the 5-6 upshift.
Brake gently to a complete stop and hold foot on brake for at least 10 seconds.
Repeat steps (e-f) three (3) times.
 
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Old Aug 25, 2008 | 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by rjd75
What is the TSB # for this one? I am going away for a week and I would like to drop the truck off and have perform the tsb. I have noticed the thump when stopping and now that I know its there it is very annoying.. I have the rolling stop/2nd gear problem too since new but just lived with it..
How bad is the thump when you come to a stop? A slight bump is normal. I can feel it sometimes, sometimes not.
 
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Old Aug 25, 2008 | 10:02 AM
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Still happening on mine, even after the tranny reflash. Can't comment on the mileage yet, only drove they Expy 60 miles in the past week. Lots of short trips with no highway kills the mileage.
 
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Old Aug 25, 2008 | 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by berry1234
How bad is the thump when you come to a stop? A slight bump is normal. I can feel it sometimes, sometimes not.
The thump is pretty intermittent, I seems to happen more after the transmission is cold. It's not terribly noticeable, I doubt any passengers ever notice it but I would be sure to say it is NOT normal. Believe it or not, I used to thiink my big foot was hitting both the gas and the brake at the same time! But that is definitely not the case..

I don't know if I should bother doing anything with it, I am half way through my lease and I don't want to flash it to find out it is worse or that I have poor mileage. I sure hope they solve this or get a different transmission in 09 and beyond..
 
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Old Feb 9, 2009 | 10:42 AM
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Well it looks like you can add me to the list of tranny problems.20,000 miles- After warmed up, when coming to a stop at around 5mph, I can hear/feel a bump accompanied with a metal banging sound-can't be good. Once warmed up, it happens 95% of the time. Does anyone have this problem?
 
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Old Feb 9, 2009 | 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by berry1234
Well it looks like you can add me to the list of tranny problems.20,000 miles- After warmed up, when coming to a stop at around 5mph, I can hear/feel a bump accompanied with a metal banging sound-can't be good. Once warmed up, it happens 95% of the time. Does anyone have this problem?
take the POS back to ford service and get them to ride around with you so that it is documented. Make them fix it.
 
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Old Feb 9, 2009 | 12:30 PM
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Hi Berry1234, Welcome to the strange Ford transmission problem club.
I now have 10,750 miles on my 07 and the transmission still starts out in second gear about 50% of the time. I have just learned to live with it. But no other problems (yet).
I bought a Ford 7 year or 48,000 mile covers everything extended warranty for it $1280.00.
Looks like I will be using it for a transmission repair in the future, if they are still in business at that time.
 
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Old Feb 9, 2009 | 05:54 PM
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Has anyone actually had their tranny Fixed?
I didn't want to say anything to soon, but having knocked on wood...


The 'Fix' the dealership service dept performed back in July has thus far solved the problem.
 
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