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Question though, I thought the super duty intercooler inlet and outlets were 3.25 inches and I thought the pipes were the same. So I would need a different size for those boots then? I'm assuming the pipes are 3 inches and the intercooler is 3.25. now that I think about it that boot does have a downsize on it doesn't it.
I guess I could just replace those intercooler boots and spider to intake manifold boots with riff Raff and replace my two upper CAC pipe to spider boots with the ones that you suggested. The longer ones. That would be a good plan I think.
I guess there's always this option but I don't think I like it. I feel the pipes might not be all that grand and I might have the same problem one day .....
OK, I 100% agree with supporting our “small” business Riffraff. They sell top quality parts which are made in the USA as much as possible.
but you are a young fella just getting started in life. We all have best intentions and think of you as a friend as well. You just have to remember a lot of us guys have more miles behind us and have a bit more expendable income. I say that in a nice way so I hope it comes out correctly. Our choices don’t always make the best sense for your particular situation. It’s easy for someone who’s worked the same job for 25 years to say “get the good stuff.” I remember being just married and saving for months to be able to buy a cheap Walmart weed eater so I wouldn’t have to use the hand-me-down push mower to do that (definitely a weed eater) job on the hillside anymore.
And I also don’t think the new “bumped” boot would work for your condition. Great for guys with good pipes, but yours isn’t so great anymore. A long boot will clamp past your damage, save you some money, and work just as well. I do expect you’d want to cut a bit off the 8” one I shared earlier though.
As for the sizes, again Riffraff to the rescue. They say all pipes are 3”. They also say the intercoolers vary in size so need measured. I think one trick was to turn it around and see if it still fit. If yes then single size, otherwise you need the 3-3.25 version. https://www.riffraffdiesel.com/compl...oot-kit-99-03/
No need to buy them all right now though. You can get just what you need then revisit this later for the other ones.
When I needed updated boots for the plenum I ended up going with this and cutting off down to size. eBay special…
OK, I 100% agree with supporting our “small” business Riffraff. They sell top quality parts which are made in the USA as much as possible.
Sounds right to me!
but you are a young fella just getting started in life. We all have best intentions and think of you as a friend as well. You just have to remember a lot of us guys have more miles behind us and have a bit more expendable income. I say that in a nice way so I hope it comes out correctly. Our choices don’t always make the best sense for your particular situation. It’s easy for someone who’s worked the same job for 25 years to say “get the good stuff.” I remember being just married and saving for months to be able to buy a cheap Walmart weed eater so I wouldn’t have to use the hand-me-down push mower to do that (definitely a weed eater) job on the hillside anymore.
It came out just fine.
Of course there are things that a few of you have that I would like to have but as you said I don't have as expendable of an income. Because I'm trying to start a business I have to devote money to that. And also because I moved out of my mom's house I pay all the bills an adult would pay (minus a truck note and whatnot) I have been blessed with the job that I have at big John's. I know you guys don't know what that is but, it's a shop that's been around for 40 years that specializes in tree work / removal, firewood, and small engine repair. Because it's been around for so many years the junkyard of lawn mowers is huge. When I say huge I mean he had six dump trailer loads of lawn mowers and weed eaters and push mowers hauled off and it's still covers a 30 ft by probably 50-75 foot square area of pure lawn mowers. (It's the used/miscellaneous parts pile) I may be exaggerating there a little bit but it's ridiculous. People have known him for so long that when they want to upgrade they just give them their old stuff. And then he turns around and sells it. Talking about my boss of course. My dad has climbed trees for the shop for many many years so my boss is practically family. I get a lot of "junk" that doesn't have much wrong with it and fix it and I can buy it as is from him cheap. It has helped me get a decent bit of equipment. And it works out because I work in the same small engine repair shop and learned how to fix them. Even the ones that are really shot I learned how to completely rebuild the motors so that's not a problem either. It has been a great learning experience and I have learned a lot. And on top of all of that my cousin owns a landscaping business and when his weed eaters, lawn mowers, and other equipment get to the point where it's costing him more to fix then it's making him he throws it away. AKA gives it to me. That's actually how I got my big commercial Diesel lawn mower. After he spent a few thousand dollars fixing it at a shop and it was still broken he wanted it out of his sight after it's sat for a while. Of course I didn't know much about diesels at the time but it was also a good learning experience and now I have a badass lawn mower that only has 660 hours on it. (practically new because it comes with a 3,000 hour warranty) Although it's a little big for most of what I do but I'm hoping to pick up some commercial properties soon.
But anyway getting back on track, you are correct, my income is not as expendable. Especially at the moment with work at a standstill.
It is hard for me to come up with a good reason to buy some things I've heard y'all talk about. Like the fancy pump to pump the oil out of the cylinders when changing injectors. I know this is a cheap and poor example but it's the easiest thing to explain. Turning the motor over by hand gets the job done and then bumping the starter. And heck turning the motor over with the key with no glow plugs in it primes the oil system up to crank anyway.
Sorry I got a bit carried away there.
I always, always appreciate everybody's input and opinion even if I can't afford it. It always help me decide what is and isn't worth spending extra on. Just like these boots. Here I was going to spend $160 on riff Raff boots when instead I could spend $40 and accomplish the same thing and put that other $120 towards my new tie rods.
Thank y'all very much for everything you guys do for me!
And I also don’t think the new “bumped” boot would work for your condition. Great for guys with good pipes, but yours isn’t so great anymore. A long boot will clamp past your damage, save you some money, and work just as well. I do expect you’d want to cut a bit off the 8” one I shared earlier though.
I think I'm going to stay away from the new bumped boot. I agree that would be a smart decision at this current point in time as well.
As for the sizes, again Riffraff to the rescue. They say all pipes are 3”. They also say the intercoolers vary in size so need measured. I think one trick was to turn it around and see if it still fit. If yes then single size, otherwise you need the 3-3.25 version. https://www.riffraffdiesel.com/compl...oot-kit-99-03/
No need to buy them all right now though. You can get just what you need then revisit this later for the other ones.
When I needed updated boots for the plenum I ended up going with this and cutting off down to size. eBay special…
Oh, so the plenums are the same diameter as the intercooler pipes then? Interesting. If I really want to save some money I could literally just buy that one that you just showed that picture of for everything. Except for the intercooler side of course. But I could get one of those to cut up for the plenums and one for each side of the spider. That would be the cheapest way out to redo all the boots. We could say 40 bucks to do plenum and both spider boots. And in reality my intercooler boots are holding fine right now so, that would be the quickest and cheapest way out. Now to decide if I want black or blue to contrast the red.,.....
Tristan, you have to take what we say with a grain of salt.
I recommended a longer boot from Amazon with double clamps above near where RacinJasonWV did because some of us went that route with another type of turbo install. It works and works well.
Only you know what will work for your application. Do that!
If it was the right call, you win!
If it was the wrong call, you learned something new and you win!
For further illustration and at the benefit of further explaining the point of doing what is right for your application, see images below.
Boot included with T4 kit for Borg Warner turbo is on the left and the boot I and a few others bought to replace it is on the right. This is not a spot on representation as the shorter boot is tilted to the front, but it is 2" is shorter than the longer boot. Point being, the longer boot worked well for the application and has been purchased from many various sources other than what we often recommend or go to for our own parts.
When you sand the paint off, be darn sure you don't leave any sand or residue on the tube. That goes directly into the intake of your engine.
I can’t remember if your truck is truly an E99…. The E99 has smaller plenums and require reducing boots. Investigate before purchase.
If your plenums are also 3” then you could dig around some more at Amazon/eBay and find a hose long enough to do the pipe and plenums. I don’t think 8” will be enough for what you’re after. Seems like I used about 6” of that when making my plenum boots.
You have plenty of time to get to the “wants” in life. You work very hard and have a great work ethic. As you get more settled then you’ll also be able to splurge on more items.
I remember saving for a long time to buy a VCR (telling my age) when we first got married…. We were “living on love.”
I guess there were 2 points I was trying to make.
1) don’t rush into trying to keep up with all us old guys and our PMS. Pace yourself. We’ve been in your shoes too.
2) us old guys often forget to consider someone else’s situation may be different than our own. It’s easy to recommend things when it’s not coming out of our own wallets. Not that they’re bad recommendations, just that the timing may need delayed a bit.
I can’t remember if your truck is truly an E99…. The E99 has smaller plenums and require reducing boots. Investigate before purchase.
My truck is a mid-2000s. Just has a e99 front 4x4 axle from my conversion. I already have calipers and rotors to convert to a 2000 style hub as well. Thanks to Eric I don't need hubs yet but when the time comes I'll be ready!
If your plenums are also 3” then you could dig around some more at Amazon/eBay and find a hose long enough to do the pipe and plenums. I don’t think 8” will be enough for what you’re after. Seems like I used about 6” of that when making my plenum boots.
I looked for a little bit but couldn't find much over one foot sections. I'm going to look some more though.
You have plenty of time to get to the “wants” in life. You work very hard and have a great work ethic. As you get more settled then you’ll also be able to splurge on more items.
I remember saving for a long time to buy a VCR (telling my age) when we first got married…. We were “living on love.”
I guess there were 2 points I was trying to make.
1) don’t rush into trying to keep up with all us old guys and our PMS. Pace yourself. We’ve been in your shoes too.
2) us old guys often forget to consider someone else’s situation may be different than our own. It’s easy to recommend things when it’s not coming out of our own wallets. Not that they’re bad recommendations, just that the timing may need delayed a bit.
Isn’t adulting fun?
I understand what you're saying! PMS is addicting! I don't know why it stuck so hard but for some reason I love this truck like no other. Of course it being my first truck has something to do with that I'm sure but, there's just something about the way it sounds, the way it feels. It just feels right. I feel like I have a truck that if I take care of it I might could have for a really, really long time ahead. I don't even want one of these newer trucks. I'll just make mine new
I appreciate you saying this. I will definitely try my best to keep my PMS in check. I seem to have a really bad case of it. And I'll definitely try to sit my stopwatch a little better on what I buy and when I buy it! Thank you so much for your consideration!
Adulting May suck sometimes but, you guys are the ones that help me get through it! Y'all are the best! Thank you all!
Tristan, you have to take what we say with a grain of salt.
I recommended a longer boot from Amazon with double clamps above near where RacinJasonWV did because some of us went that route with another type of turbo install. It works and works well.
Only you know what will work for your application. Do that!
If it was the right call, you win!
If it was the wrong call, you learned something new and you win!
Sounds like a plan! I agree with you both. I think the longer boot is the way to go in my application. Thanks!
For further illustration and at the benefit of further explaining the point of doing what is right for your application, see images below.
Boot included with T4 kit for Borg Warner turbo is on the left and the boot I and a few others bought to replace it is on the right. This is not a spot on representation as the shorter boot is tilted to the front, but it is 2" is shorter than the longer boot. Point being, the longer boot worked well for the application and has been purchased from many various sources other than what we often recommend or go to for our own parts.
When you sand the paint off, be darn sure you don't leave any sand or residue on the tube. That goes directly into the intake of your engine.
Will do! For now, since I'm going to be ordering those longer boots, I don't know how far back I'm going to need to send until I figure out how long I want the boots. Going to have to figure that out when I get the boots in. So I think I should hold off on the sanding part and just don't drive with a heavy foot until my new longer boots come in. Instead of sending the pipe twice I think that would be the best thing to do.
That goes right back to the what's best for my application thing. That t4 kit is pretty nice but, the 20 plus PSI I'm getting from my turbo will do plenty for what I'm towing. I don't see myself towing heavy very often. It makes sense for you to upgrade your turbo being as you're driving cross country heavy. I have no reason to even look at the t4 kit right now even as nice as it is. Just like y'all said, what fits for my application. Thanks!
That goes right back to the what's best for my application thing. That t4 kit is pretty nice but, the 20 plus PSI I'm getting from my turbo will do plenty for what I'm towing. I don't see myself towing heavy very often. It makes sense for you to upgrade your turbo being as you're driving cross country heavy. I have no reason to even look at the t4 kit right now even as nice as it is. Just like y'all said, what fits for my application. Thanks!
Understood and agree. My post was not at all written in an attempt to get you to go with a T4 kit. I was only using the boot provided and the additional boot at a longer length purchased separately as an example. An example of sometimes you have to find your own path to success.
I only mentioned the T4 kit as that is the boot specific to the kit and not one you would purchase for your CAC system.
Understood and agree. My post was not at all written in an attempt to get you to go with a T4 kit. I was only using the boot provided and the additional boot at a longer length purchased separately as an example. An example of sometimes you have to find your own path to success.
I only mentioned the T4 kit as that is the boot specific to the kit and not one you would purchase for your CAC system.
I hope this helps.
Oh absolutely. I understood that. I was just using it as an example like you did with the boots. I know you weren't trying to talk me into one. I should have worded that better. My bad!
A longer boot in that particular location (and ironically, only that location) may present an installation challenge.
The heater box and AC accumulator limit how far the cold side CAC tube can be distanced away from the spider to squeeze into a longer boot.
And the spider casting features and intersectional Y somewhat limit how far a longer boot can be prestaged onto the spider prior to pulling it back over the tube.
You may still need a new tube, in order to have a reasonable length boot that doesn't increase the difficulty of removal and installation in the performance of periodic maintenance of other items in the engine, especially under the valve cover.
A longer boot in that particular location (and ironically, only that location) may present an installation challenge.
The heater box and AC accumulator limit how far the cold side CAC tube can be distanced away from the spider to squeeze into a longer boot.
And the spider casting features and intersectional Y somewhat limit how far a longer boot can be prestaged onto the spider prior to pulling it back over the tube.
You may still need a new tube, in order to have a reasonable length boot that doesn't increase the difficulty of removal and installation in the performance of periodic maintenance of other items in the engine bay and under the valve cover.
The pipe should still sit in the exact same factory location. I'm just going to have the boot go further down the pipe before I put the clamp. I should still have the same amount of overhang as the factory boot. I will just leave the boot on the tube and take it loose from the spider when taking the pipe off. Shouldn't make it too much harder to take off at all. It's just that instead of leaving the boot on the spider I'm going to leave it on the pipe when removing.
It's cheap enough that I should be able to try it and see. Worst case it doesn't work and I buy a new pipe from riff Raff or a similar OEM distributor. I don't want to try my luck with aftermarket pipes from eBay. I don't think they'll be very good. I'm at least going to give it a try and personally, I think it'll work. But until I try it I can't say anything! Who knows what will happen? We will just have to see! I thank you for bringing it up though as it will make me think about it a little bit as I work through the day. Thank you!
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