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Old Apr 4, 2022 | 05:00 PM
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I get what you are saying with the pitman arm.

Honesty, and not to downplay your ability, which you have, but when it comes to stuff like this, I feel you would be time and money ahead to take it to an experienced shop and have them put it on their alignment rack and have their technician get it to where it needs to be. That is the same approach I have taken with my trucks, and will continue to do. An experienced alignment tech will have a truck set up properly and you will be steering down the road happily, and safely.
 
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Old Apr 4, 2022 | 05:16 PM
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I get what you are saying with the pitman arm.

Honesty, and not to downplay your ability, which you have, but when it comes to stuff like this, I feel you would be time and money ahead to take it to an experienced shop and have them put it on their alignment rack and have their technician get it to where it needs to be. That is the same approach I have taken with my trucks, and will continue to do. An experienced alignment tech will have a truck set up properly and you will be steering down the road happily, and safely.
I understand. And if he can't get it right he will tell me what I need to center the wheel. Whether it be a pitman arm or what, he should know. I have wanted to get an alignment done for a while but funds wouldn't allow it and still don't at this moment. I will get an alignment done as soon as I can. Too many bills to pay this coming week. Thank you for the advice. I will speak with a shop soon.
 
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Old Apr 4, 2022 | 05:19 PM
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At least you have is drivable for now, so be patient and wait for paychecks. Take the time in between to find the best shop in your area
 
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Old Apr 4, 2022 | 05:23 PM
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I have a 4x4 steering gear though.... It is an e99 steering gear for a 4WD truck that I bought when I did the axle swap.

If I adjust the drag link properly I can achieve full lock on the hub without hitting the track bar mount both ways. But my steering wheel is upside down. With what Y2K posted, I may just need the longer pitman arm and a 36 spline gearbox to accept it. Or if possible just a longer pitman arm for my e99 box. Also, prob get the pitman arm that has the bigger splines oriented 45° to the side from where mine are.
Oh. Well **** that blows my theory out of the water.

You mean your steering wheel is upside down when the steering gear is properly centered?
 
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Old Apr 4, 2022 | 05:25 PM
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At least you have is drivable for now, so be patient and wait for paychecks. Take the time in between to find the best shop in your area
That is great advice for just about any situation that crops up on this forum. This means you especially PMS Brahs.
 
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Old Apr 4, 2022 | 06:52 PM
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Oh. Well **** that blows my theory out of the water.

You mean your steering wheel is upside down when the steering gear is properly centered?
Kind of yes. I don't think my steering gear is properly centered because I have the x formation centering splines instead of the + formation splines on my current pitman arm. That will make sense to you by the end of this long explanation. If I adjust my drag link to the point where I can get a lock to lock turn my steering wheel is upside down and if I adjust my drag link either way to try to straighten the steering wheel out I lose steering on one side or the other. But now that I know that my pitman arm is hitting my track bar mount, that explains why I can't adjust the track bar longer. If I had more room for a longer drag link I would be able to fix my problem but that is not possible because I hit the track bar mount. The next thing is, why does my steering gear want to turn further to the left than the right and actually hit the track bar mount in first place? I know it doesn't need to go that far to get a full lock turn because I am right now with the steering wheel upside down so, the steering gear does not need to go that far to get a full turn. This meaning I have room to put the other pitman arm on (this will make more sense after you read what I wrote next about the different pitman arm spline orientations) which will turn my steering gear to the right 45° with my pitman arm staying in the same spot. If I center the steering gear, my pitman arm is off center at the moment. As you know, there are four bigger splines for centering your pitman arm onto your steering gear. You can buy those pitman arms with the big splines in a + formation in relation to the front of the pitman arm or a x formation in relation to the front of the pitman arm. That being said, I have the X formation. The problem with that is when my steering gear is centered, the big spline is in the middle so that means my pitman arm is 45° to the side no matter which way I put it assuming the steering gear is in the center. So if I got the other pitman arm where the big spines are front and back in relation to the front of the pitman arm, it would bring my pitman arm 45° over possibly fixing my oversteer to the left. Of course this is all just a theory. I feel my steering gear should not be turning far enough to hit the track bar mount because I can get a full lock turn without hitting it. So that makes me think that with the X formation splines the steering gear is off centered in a particular direction that makes it impossible to adjust the drag link without interference issues. I could be wrong about most of this but, it is a fact that the other pitman arm would bring my steering gear back around 45° and give me more steering to the right so that I would have more room for a different length drag link. If you remember, my initial problem was I could not turn all the way to the right. Keeping everything in mind if I adjust my drag link I can't turn all the way to the left because I hit the track bar. So, basically in simple terms, if I give myself more turning to the right, meaning I get that plus formation pitman arm and move it towards the driver side so that my steering gear can swing further to the right, I'll have more room for adjustment. I'm sorry I got long-winded and I hope this makes sense. You may have to read it twice. It makes sense in my jumbled mes.... I mean head......
 
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Old Apr 4, 2022 | 07:00 PM
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That is great advice for just about any situation that crops up on this forum. This means you especially PMS Brahs.
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At least you have is drivable for now, so be patient and wait for paychecks. Take the time in between to find the best shop in your area
That makes sense! Thanks! Will do!
 
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Old Apr 4, 2022 | 07:05 PM
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I can't remember because it's been years since I've done one, but the gearbox isn't keyed for the steering shaft is it? If not sounds like your shaft was installed 180 out.
 
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Old Apr 4, 2022 | 07:25 PM
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Kind of yes. I don't think my steering gear is properly centered because I have the x formation centering splines instead of the + formation splines on my current pitman arm. That will make sense to you by the end of this long explanation. If I adjust my drag link to the point where I can get a lock to lock turn my steering wheel is upside down and if I adjust my drag link either way to try to straighten the steering wheel out I lose steering on one side or the other. But now that I know that my pitman arm is hitting my track bar mount, that explains why I can't adjust the track bar longer. If I had more room for a longer drag link I would be able to fix my problem but that is not possible because I hit the track bar mount. The next thing is, why does my steering gear want to turn further to the left than the right and actually hit the track bar mount in first place? I know it doesn't need to go that far to get a full lock turn because I am right now with the steering wheel upside down so, the steering gear does not need to go that far to get a full turn. This meaning I have room to put the other pitman arm on (this will make more sense after you read what I wrote next about the different pitman arm spline orientations) which will turn my steering gear to the right 45° with my pitman arm staying in the same spot. If I center the steering gear, my pitman arm is off center at the moment. As you know, there are four bigger splines for centering your pitman arm onto your steering gear. You can buy those pitman arms with the big splines in a + formation in relation to the front of the pitman arm or a x formation in relation to the front of the pitman arm. That being said, I have the X formation. The problem with that is when my steering gear is centered, the big spline is in the middle so that means my pitman arm is 45° to the side no matter which way I put it assuming the steering gear is in the center. So if I got the other pitman arm where the big spines are front and back in relation to the front of the pitman arm, it would bring my pitman arm 45° over possibly fixing my oversteer to the left. Of course this is all just a theory. I feel my steering gear should not be turning far enough to hit the track bar mount because I can get a full lock turn without hitting it. So that makes me think that with the X formation splines the steering gear is off centered in a particular direction that makes it impossible to adjust the drag link without interference issues. I could be wrong about most of this but, it is a fact that the other pitman arm would bring my steering gear back around 45° and give me more steering to the right so that I would have more room for a different length drag link. If you remember, my initial problem was I could not turn all the way to the right. Keeping everything in mind if I adjust my drag link I can't turn all the way to the left because I hit the track bar. So, basically in simple terms, if I give myself more turning to the right, meaning I get that plus formation pitman arm and move it towards the driver side so that my steering gear can swing further to the right, I'll have more room for adjustment. I'm sorry I got long-winded and I hope this makes sense. You may have to read it twice. It makes sense in my jumbled mes.... I mean head......
Ummm, you can disconnect the steering column from the steering gear and then reconnect once everything is centered and right way up you know. Alternatively, you can pull the steering wheel off the column and put it back on the right way up with the steering gear and column centered.

The biggest issue now though is the mismatch between centered steering gear spline position and your pitman arm.
 
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Old Apr 4, 2022 | 07:36 PM
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I checked this afternoon on an e99 dash, steering shaft and e99 gear, the shaft is keyed to the gear and the steering column attachment and cannot be swapped 180 degrees to make the steering wheel become properly oriented.
This is on all oem e99 stuff
My e99 centurion I can adjust because the borgeson steering shaft I have is not keyed to a specific spot on the gear like the oem shaft was.
 
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Old Apr 4, 2022 | 07:41 PM
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Ummm, you can disconnect the steering column from the steering gear and then reconnect once everything is centered and right way up you know. Alternatively, you can pull the steering wheel off the column and put it back on the right way up with the steering gear and column centered.

The biggest issue now though is the mismatch between centered steering gear spline position and your pitman arm.
Oh how I wish it were that easy LOL. I cannot flip the steering wheel. It has a big centering spline on it so that can only go on one way. Believe me, I tried. Also, the steering shaft only goes on the steering gear one way. It has a big flat side remember. Unless I'm missing something neither of those techniques will work unfortunately. I wait in hopes you tell me I'm a ******* and what I just said was wrong.
 
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Old Apr 4, 2022 | 07:43 PM
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Damn I’m glad I don’t have an E99. I’ll shut up now.
 
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Old Apr 4, 2022 | 07:43 PM
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I checked this afternoon on an e99 dash, steering shaft and e99 gear, the shaft is keyed to the gear and the steering column attachment and cannot be swapped 180 degrees to make the steering wheel become properly oriented.
This is on all oem e99 stuff
My e99 centurion I can adjust because the borgeson steering shaft I have is not keyed to a specific spot on the gear like the oem shaft was.
Keep in mind my truck is not an e99. It's a 2000 and it was a two-wheel drive. I got my 4x4 front axle for my axle swap off of a e99 truck. The dash and steering shaft and steering column are all from a 2000 model two wheel drive truck. I don't know if that makes a difference or not.
 
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Old Apr 4, 2022 | 07:46 PM
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Damn I’m glad I don’t have an E99. I’ll shut up now.
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I quite enjoy your company though! I don't have an e99. It's a 2000. Just have a e99 4x4 axle from my axle swap remember!
 
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Old Apr 4, 2022 | 07:48 PM
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But, you have an e99 gear box, the shaft didnt change from e99-2000, at least according to my 2000 plow truck.(but thats been cobbled together from at least 5 different years, soooooo kinda hard to say what is what anymore lol
 
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