Payload Rating Frustrations
Hotshot
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From: Chaz
I think he needs the CCSB for maneuvering? I personally think you should only buy what is required for the job to not waste money and ride comfort.
Also you can do a 2 inch receiver to mount a winch. I do not know what’s available as the intercooler may be in the way.
If I was planning on offroading I would get front and rear bumpers. Just lock it if near the border as trucks like that are popular with thieves.
Also you can do a 2 inch receiver to mount a winch. I do not know what’s available as the intercooler may be in the way.
If I was planning on offroading I would get front and rear bumpers. Just lock it if near the border as trucks like that are popular with thieves.
Posting Guru
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From: Fairbanks, AK
The F450 has an amazing turn radius and maneuverability. And you should always buy more truck than you think you'll need. Lots and lots of stories about wasted money from having to eat the loss and upgrade early because, "I didn't think the Mrs would want such a huge TT/TC/toy hauler/etc." 
Tuned
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I would only jump to the F450 if I got the hot tub option.
Since that is not available, I will make do with the 250 or 350.
i will run thru the build website trying different suggested ideas.
I am getting more than presently needed to have room for other important options.
Thank you everyone for the ideas!
Since that is not available, I will make do with the 250 or 350.
i will run thru the build website trying different suggested ideas.
I am getting more than presently needed to have room for other important options.
Thank you everyone for the ideas!
Hotshot
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From: Chaz
Check the insurance on that 10,000 gvwr F350 gas I posted above vs a regular gas f350 CCLB. Or find a diesel 350 with 10,000 gvwr. Is there any significant changes in the VIN? Do insurance companies even care about the gvwr?
Simplest option is an F250 camper package and if you get a heavy front winch bumper jump to the snowplow/camper package. If just a 2 inch receiver to put a removable winch keep the camper package with the 5600 springs and they are only 1/2” over stock vs 1 inch. The more you raise the front the less you can haul in the back.
I know my truck I had to put in both my and my company name (didnt want in my name) because commercial insurance is very very expensive. Got Geico to put it in my name and my company as ‘Additional’. F250 diesel in my signature.
Simplest option is an F250 camper package and if you get a heavy front winch bumper jump to the snowplow/camper package. If just a 2 inch receiver to put a removable winch keep the camper package with the 5600 springs and they are only 1/2” over stock vs 1 inch. The more you raise the front the less you can haul in the back.
I know my truck I had to put in both my and my company name (didnt want in my name) because commercial insurance is very very expensive. Got Geico to put it in my name and my company as ‘Additional’. F250 diesel in my signature.
Tuned
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A gas engine is not a consideration because of the type of work and where I drive. County and township roads that are rarely straight and level so the torque of the diesel would be a blessing. With the gas engine I would get about 2 miles per gallon or 2 gallons per mile chugging at slow speed. I am completely sick of the strain and struggle to get equipment to job sites. The stress level and fuel expense are miserable.
Probably the best choice is the 350 camper package with the 11,500 rating. Then I would have most options covered.
The sales lady is very nice but knows very little about trucks. She did tell me about the new BJ Wholesale program to get X plan pricing and an extra $1000 discount. I joined for $10 and already received the code for the discounts.
Thanks again.
Probably the best choice is the 350 camper package with the 11,500 rating. Then I would have most options covered.
The sales lady is very nice but knows very little about trucks. She did tell me about the new BJ Wholesale program to get X plan pricing and an extra $1000 discount. I joined for $10 and already received the code for the discounts.
Thanks again.
More Turbo
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From: Nevada
Just because the cop breathes air near by doesn’t grant you permission. Let’s hope you survive your visit to Emergency.
Laughing Gas
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Visit to Emergency? Please elaborate..
i hope u survive your visit to this thread.
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More Turbo
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From: Nevada
GVWR is the engineers attempt to put a safety margin to the operation of equipment. Everything has a safety margin or Safe working load (SWL). Greatly exceeding GVWR ? Sitting in the driveway is safe.
Logistics Pro
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Like discussed in this thread, in some cases it's just a #. Like in the case of a de-rated F350, or an F250 with HD tow package. There is little to nothing, even from an engineering standpoint, separating them from thier 11500 gvrw counterparts.
Laughing Gas
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I wish i could make sense of this or understand what your saying.
More Turbo
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From: Nevada
Going to the dually was good deal for you. I’ll be going to a dually eventually. The average 5th wheel trailer used to weight 12,000# now they are 16,000#. I hope the new 10 speed will improve the fuel mileage.
Hotshot
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When you order trailers they will put what ever gvwr on the label you want. Order a 30k flatbed but need it to say 12k they will do that for you. Why would you want to do that...becuase if the combined vehicle and trailer can not exceed 26k or you will be in cdl land.
what I would like to do is buy an f-650 and tell Ford to label it as a f-250. That way I would be exempt from all the over 6000 gvwr restrictions, emissions testing, insurance problems, etc.
so now I have my f-650 that’s labeled as an f-250 and my 30k flayed bed that’s labeled at 12k and mechanically I would have a combined gvwr of 50k but only a legal gvwr of 22k.
What good does this do me having the mechanical ability to carry 50k combine gvwr but not the legal one.
does not make sense to me.
Just buy what you need and make due it’s labeled they way you want to use it.
what I would like to do is buy an f-650 and tell Ford to label it as a f-250. That way I would be exempt from all the over 6000 gvwr restrictions, emissions testing, insurance problems, etc.
so now I have my f-650 that’s labeled as an f-250 and my 30k flayed bed that’s labeled at 12k and mechanically I would have a combined gvwr of 50k but only a legal gvwr of 22k.
What good does this do me having the mechanical ability to carry 50k combine gvwr but not the legal one.
does not make sense to me.
Just buy what you need and make due it’s labeled they way you want to use it.
Posting Guru
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From: Frederick, CO
Adding the camper package (or any other package) will not make you go up a notch on the GVWR of 11,500 lbs. That's not how that works. If you want a larger GVWR than 11,500, then you need a different platform, not a front spring package.