Payload Rating Frustrations
Hotshot
Joined: Jun 2003
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From: SW VA
Pull starting is not payload. It is much different than throwing the KW on a gooseneck behind that F150
Laughing Gas
Joined: Jun 2018
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When I had this 17 F150 Heavy Duty Payload Pack 5.0L truck, i was attacked daily on the F150 side of the forum. Was told im going to crash and die and then be sued to hell and back. 🤣
I was always within 100lbs of the door jamb payload sticker of 2,523lbs. 8,000 miles of towing in 10 months and Never had problems with breaking or handling. GCWR was exceeded by about 1,500lbs when trailer was loaded. Power was great, mileage towing was the same as my dually when dually was stock (7mpg).
People would tell me im a liar and no way it had 2,523lbs payload. Blah blah.
Its all about what your comfortable with and if it handles the load well or not.
Traded it for a dually PS bc the Coyote kicked the bucket in Colorado while running 89oct gas thru it with a 93oct tow tune. 🤦🏼*♂️ My fault.
Tuned
Joined: May 2019
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Some believe that a SRW F-350 is significantly different than a F-250 but as stated previously, the trucks are mostly the same. In fact, a F-250 can be equipped to be nearly identical to a F-350. I know because I ordered my truck to be just that. Every aspect of my truck is 100% identical to the equivalent F-350 with the exception of the rear springs. My spring pack has three in the main plus the an overload. A 350 would have four in the main. That is the complete list of mechanical differences. I needed the capability of a 350 but my truck also needed to be a Class 2 vehicle. Building a F-250 in this configuration costs the same as a F-350...as it should because it's the same truck!
Ford derates the Dana axle in my truck to 6340 pounds and lowers the tire pressure to 65 psi. They probably derate the axle because the tire pressure is lower. I only made two changes to my truck for towing my fiver. I increased the tire pressure and added StableLoad upper overloads. With my 12,000 pound GVW fifth wheel connected, I still have a slight rake and the truck handles perfectly. Haven't scaled it yet but I'm certain that the pin weight is in the 2200-2500 range when fully loaded.
"Upgrading" to a F-350 SRW would gain me absolutely nothing other than an extra 1500 pounds on my payload sticker and stickers don't help to pull trailers.
Ford derates the Dana axle in my truck to 6340 pounds and lowers the tire pressure to 65 psi. They probably derate the axle because the tire pressure is lower. I only made two changes to my truck for towing my fiver. I increased the tire pressure and added StableLoad upper overloads. With my 12,000 pound GVW fifth wheel connected, I still have a slight rake and the truck handles perfectly. Haven't scaled it yet but I'm certain that the pin weight is in the 2200-2500 range when fully loaded.
"Upgrading" to a F-350 SRW would gain me absolutely nothing other than an extra 1500 pounds on my payload sticker and stickers don't help to pull trailers.
JD - Would you please explain the details of how you ordered a 250 to be identical or close to a 350. I am trying to do that very same thing but kept falling short. The dealer is holding the order so that I can come in on Monday to make changes or order a 350. I just worked up the 350 order.
I thought that I had accomplished it when the 250 cost the same as a 350, but the carrying capacity differs by about 1500 pounds.
It appears that registration and insurance will cost less if I can keep it at a 250.
Thank you very much for the help.
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Hotshot
Joined: Jun 2003
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From: SW VA
So the 6.7L in a F250 pulling 20k and over GVWR is going to die before the 6.7L in a F450 pulling 30k?
I get what you are saying...but I don't think it's quite as black & white as it seems. Wear and tear is a little different than "dying" though...lol
I get what you are saying...but I don't think it's quite as black & white as it seems. Wear and tear is a little different than "dying" though...lol
Hotshot
Joined: Mar 2017
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From: Chaz
*****- What is the use of the truck?
They make the high capacity tow F250 diesel option which is a 350 with one less rear spring. You can also get a 350 and option for 10,000 GVWR.
These are only good for towing.
If you need the payload for like commercial hauling in the truck you need to get the regular F350 so you are registered properly for the weight you are hauling.
They make the high capacity tow F250 diesel option which is a 350 with one less rear spring. You can also get a 350 and option for 10,000 GVWR.
These are only good for towing.
If you need the payload for like commercial hauling in the truck you need to get the regular F350 so you are registered properly for the weight you are hauling.
More Turbo
Joined: Jun 2018
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From: Nevada
The GVWR for the SRW F350 is 11,500 this is unacceptable for hauling. Realistically this truck should be well over 12,000# for hauling......like Ram’s 12,300 GVWR. If you want a Ford you are forced to buy a dually. The dually is great truck but some of us don’t want to own a dually. Even fewer want to tow with a F150.
Tuned
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I worked up the 250 with high capacity towing and drove one. The problem is that the payload worked out to around 1900 which is ridiculous.
i just worked up the 350 which has a payload of around 3200.
They both end up within $100 or so of each other.
The truck is for a wildlife habitat business. Tools, gear, and supplies in the short bed under a cap or topper. It will pull a couple different trailers with tractor with equipment or side by side, and atv, etc.
Crew cab so there will be room for clean clothing, grub, mobile office, cooler, etc.
i had hoped to keep it a 250 because insurance, registration, and license plates cost less than if it is a 350.
Lariat because it is for me to use.
Add camper package?
Thanks for suggestions.
i just worked up the 350 which has a payload of around 3200.
They both end up within $100 or so of each other.
The truck is for a wildlife habitat business. Tools, gear, and supplies in the short bed under a cap or topper. It will pull a couple different trailers with tractor with equipment or side by side, and atv, etc.
Crew cab so there will be room for clean clothing, grub, mobile office, cooler, etc.
i had hoped to keep it a 250 because insurance, registration, and license plates cost less than if it is a 350.
Lariat because it is for me to use.
Add camper package?
Thanks for suggestions.
Hotshot
Joined: Mar 2017
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From: Chaz
Well its the GVWR it is registered at thats making the payload low. Not the springs.
How much weight will you have in the bed/truck for your business? Thats what matters.
The trailer won’t be an issue if the truck is 10,000 GVWR.
How much weight will you have in the bed/truck for your business? Thats what matters.
The trailer won’t be an issue if the truck is 10,000 GVWR.
Laughing Gas
Joined: Oct 2017
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From: Lansing MI
Well, my 250 with the high capacity tow package has a payload of 2355. Not what you will get in a 350, but still well above 2k. To get down to 1900, that would have to be a lot of bells and whistles added on (Possibly the long bed too).
More Turbo
Joined: Jun 2018
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From: Nevada
If you got a 5th wheel with 2000# pin weight, add kids, dogs, tools, generator - you haven’t got enough truck. Even with a conventional trailer 1500# tongue weight ...is not much better. Still you got a great looking truck.