'07 axles under the '01 Excursion - Conversion Thread
Mountain Pass
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From: North west North Dakota.
First off this is an amazing thread to read.
thank you nicmike for taking the time to document this project.
i have a question, and please forgive me if I missed it in this thread. My brain has been on information overload as I read through this.
my question.
i have a v10 excursion with a vacuum booster for the brakes. I have an opportunity to pick up an 06 gas 4x4 pickup with a blown motor for dirt cheep. Does anyone know if I will run into similar problems with the power steering hoses being different sizes? Could I use the hoses off the donner truck?
thank you all who have contributed your wealth of knowledge.
thank you nicmike for taking the time to document this project.
i have a question, and please forgive me if I missed it in this thread. My brain has been on information overload as I read through this.
my question.
i have a v10 excursion with a vacuum booster for the brakes. I have an opportunity to pick up an 06 gas 4x4 pickup with a blown motor for dirt cheep. Does anyone know if I will run into similar problems with the power steering hoses being different sizes? Could I use the hoses off the donner truck?
thank you all who have contributed your wealth of knowledge.
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Veteran/Sheepdog
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All the power steering hose talk in here is specific to the diesel hydro-boost system. That said, the one fitting on the newer steering gear will still likely be larger than the old one, so make sure you get the hoses attached to the newer gear on the donor. Routing should still be similar/same if the donor is also a V-10.
Mountain Pass
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From: North west North Dakota.
All the power steering hose talk in here is specific to the diesel hydro-boost system. That said, the one fitting on the newer steering gear will still likely be larger than the old one, so make sure you get the hoses attached to the newer gear on the donor. Routing should still be similar/same if the donor is also a V-10.
my donor is a 6.2 v8 I think. so should be similar to the v10.
haven't verified engine yet, but for the price I can get it for it’s worth it. Even if I have to buy new hoses.
Cargo Master
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Remember these are hydraulic lines than can be custom made at most hydraulic shops that service construction/agricultural equipment.
Mountain Pass
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From: North west North Dakota.
i will keep that in mind
5th Wheeling
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Mountain Pass
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From: North west North Dakota.
the 11+ axle has wheel sensors for abs where the excursion axle has abs tone ring behind the ring gear.
5th Wheeling
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And I’m guessing the newer sensors will not interface... Can the better, larger rotors and calipers be installed on the older axle?
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Mountain Pass
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the abs will not interchange as our axles have one sensor, and the newer axle has two.
5th Wheeling
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Yes, you can use the 08 axles. The keys to the rear axle part of this are the driveshaft flange and the shock mounting points. Make sure you account for these two things when selecting your donor axle.
I would get the flange with the donor if you can. Knock out the u-joint it is attached to, or get the whole driveshaft. Some 08+ axles have the shock mounts welded to the axles. Make sure you have the tools/skills to get around that if you find them that way. You could get lucky, and find they are both welded on the back side of the axle. I did see one like that.
I would get the flange with the donor if you can. Knock out the u-joint it is attached to, or get the whole driveshaft. Some 08+ axles have the shock mounts welded to the axles. Make sure you have the tools/skills to get around that if you find them that way. You could get lucky, and find they are both welded on the back side of the axle. I did see one like that.
5th Wheeling
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This place sells coil buckets that are not only affordable but set up for better than stock shocks for a premium ride quality...
https://absalutecustoms.com/shop/ols...5-and-up-axles
New User
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I been reading and want to swap over my 04 excursion to the 05 and up axles and suspension. there's a local guy that has just about everything off his 05 f250 for a good price. aside from sourcing 08 leaf springs. is there much of a difference which I don't think there is from the 05-07 and 08 and up? just want to make sure I get the right axles before I spend the cash
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Thank you Mike for this thread. Its great and I know it takes extra time to take pics and post to. Your time to help the community is greatly appreciated.
This is what I'm wondering after reading this great thread.
The reason I would want to do it is bc i have over 2K invested in new tires, power stop brakes, and a redhead steering box. I won't get all that money back.
With the power stop brakes, it was a world of difference and i am pleased with stopping power. No major offroading planned. Its the family tow vehicle with occasional logging roads. I use the Power Wagon for the big stuff. I would like better turning radius, though the 2 things I'm after are the ride and being able to run 35's without putting on a 4-6" lift.
I looked into stripping the axle and welding on the proper brackets, though that got haulted when I saw the spring pearch is casted into the axle on the driver's side.
Questions are:
1. were is the extra 3" at? Knuckles, axle tubes, where?
2. can the 04 knuckles be mounted on the 05+ axles and the rear setup be moved over to clear the 16" rims?
When I pull the trigger, I was going to buy the OUO arm brackets. Either purchase or harvest the coil buckets depending on what they look like.
Any input is appreciated. And thanks again to all that have contributed.
The reason I would want to do it is bc i have over 2K invested in new tires, power stop brakes, and a redhead steering box. I won't get all that money back.
With the power stop brakes, it was a world of difference and i am pleased with stopping power. No major offroading planned. Its the family tow vehicle with occasional logging roads. I use the Power Wagon for the big stuff. I would like better turning radius, though the 2 things I'm after are the ride and being able to run 35's without putting on a 4-6" lift.
I looked into stripping the axle and welding on the proper brackets, though that got haulted when I saw the spring pearch is casted into the axle on the driver's side.
Questions are:
1. were is the extra 3" at? Knuckles, axle tubes, where?
2. can the 04 knuckles be mounted on the 05+ axles and the rear setup be moved over to clear the 16" rims?
When I pull the trigger, I was going to buy the OUO arm brackets. Either purchase or harvest the coil buckets depending on what they look like.
Any input is appreciated. And thanks again to all that have contributed.
Mountain Pass
Joined: Mar 2020
Posts: 153
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From: North west North Dakota.
Thank you Mike for this thread. Its great and I know it takes extra time to take pics and post to. Your time to help the community is greatly appreciated.
This is what I'm wondering after reading this great thread.
The reason I would want to do it is bc i have over 2K invested in new tires, power stop brakes, and a redhead steering box. I won't get all that money back.
With the power stop brakes, it was a world of difference and i am pleased with stopping power. No major offroading planned. Its the family tow vehicle with occasional logging roads. I use the Power Wagon for the big stuff. I would like better turning radius, though the 2 things I'm after are the ride and being able to run 35's without putting on a 4-6" lift.
I looked into stripping the axle and welding on the proper brackets, though that got haulted when I saw the spring pearch is casted into the axle on the driver's side.
Questions are:
1. were is the extra 3" at? Knuckles, axle tubes, where?
2. can the 04 knuckles be mounted on the 05+ axles and the rear setup be moved over to clear the 16" rims?
When I pull the trigger, I was going to buy the OUO arm brackets. Either purchase or harvest the coil buckets depending on what they look like.
Any input is appreciated. And thanks again to all that have contributed.
This is what I'm wondering after reading this great thread.
The reason I would want to do it is bc i have over 2K invested in new tires, power stop brakes, and a redhead steering box. I won't get all that money back.
With the power stop brakes, it was a world of difference and i am pleased with stopping power. No major offroading planned. Its the family tow vehicle with occasional logging roads. I use the Power Wagon for the big stuff. I would like better turning radius, though the 2 things I'm after are the ride and being able to run 35's without putting on a 4-6" lift.
I looked into stripping the axle and welding on the proper brackets, though that got haulted when I saw the spring pearch is casted into the axle on the driver's side.
Questions are:
1. were is the extra 3" at? Knuckles, axle tubes, where?
2. can the 04 knuckles be mounted on the 05+ axles and the rear setup be moved over to clear the 16" rims?
When I pull the trigger, I was going to buy the OUO arm brackets. Either purchase or harvest the coil buckets depending on what they look like.
Any input is appreciated. And thanks again to all that have contributed.
the knuckles are different and do not swap.
also the reason you can’t run 16” wheels on 05+ axles is they won’t clear the brakes. The 05 up axles run larger rotors and calipers. I believe 14 up axles are even larger brakes.
as far as the extra width I think it’s in the wheel bearings and hub area, however I’m not positive.
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Veteran/Sheepdog
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From: Western AR
Thank you Mike for this thread. Its great and I know it takes extra time to take pics and post to. Your time to help the community is greatly appreciated.
This is what I'm wondering after reading this great thread.
The reason I would want to do it is bc i have over 2K invested in new tires, power stop brakes, and a redhead steering box. I won't get all that money back.
With the power stop brakes, it was a world of difference and i am pleased with stopping power. No major offroading planned. Its the family tow vehicle with occasional logging roads. I use the Power Wagon for the big stuff. I would like better turning radius, though the 2 things I'm after are the ride and being able to run 35's without putting on a 4-6" lift.
I looked into stripping the axle and welding on the proper brackets, though that got haulted when I saw the spring pearch is casted into the axle on the driver's side.
Questions are:
1. were is the extra 3" at? Knuckles, axle tubes, where? Some of it is in the taller rim/tire combo that you can now run...since you will be eliminating the front leaf rub spot. The remainder is in the springs. I can easily run 35s now, but I prefer my 34s.
2. can the 04 knuckles be mounted on the 05+ axles and the rear setup be moved over to clear the 16" rims? Anything can be done with enough time and money. I would never take a newer axle backwards, but that is just me.
When I pull the trigger, I was going to buy the OUO arm brackets. Either purchase or harvest the coil buckets depending on what they look like. I recommend buying buckets and radius arms to those that do not have the tools and TIME to remove the originals from the donor. It is money you will get back in tools and time NOT spent.
Any input is appreciated. And thanks again to all that have contributed.
This is what I'm wondering after reading this great thread.
The reason I would want to do it is bc i have over 2K invested in new tires, power stop brakes, and a redhead steering box. I won't get all that money back.
With the power stop brakes, it was a world of difference and i am pleased with stopping power. No major offroading planned. Its the family tow vehicle with occasional logging roads. I use the Power Wagon for the big stuff. I would like better turning radius, though the 2 things I'm after are the ride and being able to run 35's without putting on a 4-6" lift.
I looked into stripping the axle and welding on the proper brackets, though that got haulted when I saw the spring pearch is casted into the axle on the driver's side.
Questions are:
1. were is the extra 3" at? Knuckles, axle tubes, where? Some of it is in the taller rim/tire combo that you can now run...since you will be eliminating the front leaf rub spot. The remainder is in the springs. I can easily run 35s now, but I prefer my 34s.
2. can the 04 knuckles be mounted on the 05+ axles and the rear setup be moved over to clear the 16" rims? Anything can be done with enough time and money. I would never take a newer axle backwards, but that is just me.
When I pull the trigger, I was going to buy the OUO arm brackets. Either purchase or harvest the coil buckets depending on what they look like. I recommend buying buckets and radius arms to those that do not have the tools and TIME to remove the originals from the donor. It is money you will get back in tools and time NOT spent.
Any input is appreciated. And thanks again to all that have contributed.