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Old Sep 24, 2015 | 03:27 PM
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I'm not loosing coolant and I don't have white smoke all the time. Don't those get replaced only if an issue is detected?
That's a better question for others who know more about them than I do
 
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Old Sep 24, 2015 | 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by scotttahoe
Those O-rings are shot. I don't think that will impact boost and gets (that is usually a leaky up-pipe or loose boots) Those O-rings will impact the way the motor runs/sounds/vibrations.
I think the idea was that the bad o-ring was preventing it from making peak power.

I've had a black outer fuel filter for a while. However, that lower o-ring wouldn't cause oil/fuel to mix int the fuel rail would it?


Also, what about cleaning out the cups - there may be some o-ring residue on them. A rag with solvent on it?

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Old Sep 24, 2015 | 03:56 PM
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[QUOTE=tjmike;15668590]

I think the idea was that the bad o-ring was preventing it from making peak power.

It is part of the cause as it's not getting direct clean fuel but some air

I've had a black outer fuel filter for a while. However, that lower o-ring wouldn't cause oil/fuel to mix int the fuel rail would it?

Or the injector cup has a small crack in it. That would be more of a Tugly question as I'm not 100%

Also, what about cleaning out the cups - there may be some o-ring residue on them. A rag with solvent on it?

I don't see why not. You might have better results using a Q-tip coated in brake cleaner then try and suck any gunk out with a shop vac.

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Old Sep 24, 2015 | 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by tjmike
I'm not loosing coolant and I don't have white smoke all the time. Don't those get replaced only if an issue is detected?
How many miles on the Ex?
 
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Old Sep 24, 2015 | 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by white Buffalo
How many miles on the Ex?
It has about 140,000 Miles.
 
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Old Sep 24, 2015 | 06:46 PM
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It has about 140,000 Miles.
That's not alot of miles, if it was 200K I would say "hell yeah, I would". But at 140K, that's a gray area. you could do it when you put new injectors in her down the road.
 
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Old Sep 24, 2015 | 06:47 PM
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Did you check the torque on any of the injectors prior to removal? If so, were any of the injector hold down bolts extremely loose?
 
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Old Sep 24, 2015 | 06:59 PM
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Did you check the torque on any of the injectors prior to removal? If so, were any of the injector hold down bolts extremely loose?
Yes I did. Before doing the compression test. #3 or #5 was a little loose. More than 55 inch lbs., probably in the 80-100 range. The bad O-ring was #5.
 
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Old Sep 24, 2015 | 07:24 PM
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OK. Do you see any signs of rust on any of the injectors?....it will be obvious...
 
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Old Sep 24, 2015 | 07:27 PM
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OK. Do you see any signs of rust on any of the injectors?....it will be obvious...
No, just the discoloring like in the previous photos.
 
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Old Sep 24, 2015 | 07:29 PM
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Then considering all of this, I would also wait on replacing the cups.
 
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Old Sep 24, 2015 | 07:59 PM
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Then considering all of this, I would also wait on replacing the cups.

That's what I did. No cause to change them yet and a whole 'nother learnin' curve

I seriously hope you get the same improvements I did. It was night and day
 
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Old Sep 25, 2015 | 10:06 PM
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Getting there, I have the passenger side done. I'll be doing the driver side tomorrow morning.

When cranking the engine over by hand with the glow plugs out, do I want to turn clockwise?
 
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Ya, the same way the engine rotes as if it was running.
 
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Crap.... I'm late to this party. The answer to the cup question is: "With the injectors out, conduct a coolant pressure test." I actually remove the coolant and inject air into the system, this allows me to look for air to leak out the cups, not wait for an obscure coolant drip. Pass the test? Move on.





Oil will absolutely get in the fuel rail with bad O-rings. The oil is about 1000 PSI at 60-65 MPH on the flat with no wind, and the fuel is about 60 PSI. Compromised O-ring = black fuel filter. I don't see signs of a loose injector - the stains are just from fuel slipping past the O-ring and camping there with heat. The copper washer did it's job. If it didn't, you could expect to see soot where those stains are.
 
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