Updated Torque PIDs
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Updated Torque PIDS
Geezzz, As soon as I posted I went to crash and shut down down the Samsung tablet I'm using and hit the three bars to shut down all apps running, I thought, and saw the add PIDS.
So tonight I'm back there and added the standard Ford PIDS. Some were real close to the custom so I just edited them. But I do not see the "A-Pids" from the CVS file? Guessing I do not have CVS file in correct location for it to see them. But I'm not finding the folder mentioned above to place the CVS file in?
Blue
So tonight I'm back there and added the standard Ford PIDS. Some were real close to the custom so I just edited them. But I do not see the "A-Pids" from the CVS file? Guessing I do not have CVS file in correct location for it to see them. But I'm not finding the folder mentioned above to place the CVS file in?
Blue
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Just after Torque pro connects to my 03 7.3 it announces "Icy conditions ahead."
I live in SoCal and it has even done it when near outside 100, is anyone getting this message?
So far I have not read about it from anyone else.
Ron
I live in SoCal and it has even done it when near outside 100, is anyone getting this message?
So far I have not read about it from anyone else.
Ron
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yep I get that too. I assume it is because of a reading it gets or lack of reading for some type of temperature. Scrolling thru the list may show something. Possibly coolant temp since it doesn't work right or exist on some.
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Where is the sensor for that. I am guessing since I do not have the display I do not have the sensor? Truck is bare bones xl work truck.
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I had that when I first had Torque installed. Not sure if it was with the Pro version or not. But I think it's not related to the truck at all, but uses a default location and weather info from your device. Similar to all the performance stuff like 0-60 times etc. that are standard on the initial gauge setups, which uses the accelerometer features of your device.
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The overhead temp sensor is way up near the driver-side headlight... if my memory isn't completely kaput.
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Hey bud I have a question I don't know to use this lol
People are always discovering more stuff, now that Torque is being used by more members. Pikachu made a recent (and very important) discovery, so I wanted to include this in the list - without burying it in the many pages in the previous Torque PID thread.
Critical Note:
Never ever add a gauge while connected with the engine running... no matter who sent the configuration. The data can have an error or a typo in it, so it's best to set up your gauge off-line, then connect to the truck KOEO after everything is set correctly (to the best of your knowledge). No data or the truck freaks out? Delete that gauge (but keep the PID in the list) until it can be resolved. I got bit a few times while playing with the *****, so I felt it best to pass that on. At the time of this writing, I am still wrestling with Boost and Exhaust Back Pressure Gauge readings (pressure above atmospheric pressure). This is all to say Torque is a tool for all vehicles... it's up to the user to sort out how to use it with each specific vehicle.
Long name:Barometer
Short name: BARO
PID: 221442
Max/Min: 15.0/10.0
Unit: PSI
Equation: ((A*256)+B)*0.03625
Header: C410F1
The Min/Max values above are for realistic altitudes, but those who traverse the Rockies may see lees than 10 PSI (over 10,000 feet). If you do, you can change the Max/Min to 15.0/9.0.
Manifold Absolute Pressure
Short Name: MAP
PID: 221440
Units: PSI
Max/Min: 45.0/0.0
Equation: ((A*256)+B)*0.03625
It is important that this reads the air pressure of your altitude in PSI (same with EBP and BARO) with Key On Engine Off, then it just adds boost to that while running. [LINK]
Manifold Gauge Pressure
Short Name: Boost
PID: 221440
Units: PSI
Max/Min: 30.0/0.0
Equation: (((A*256)+B)*0.03625)-[221442]
"-[221442]" subtracts the Barometric sensor (located on the PCM on some trucks, external on others) reading from the MAP reading - and this gives you just the boost pressure above atmospheric pressure. If you have a barometer in your portable device, you would be better off to take out "[221442]" and insert "BARO()", this will allow you to have Boost and Exhaust Gauge Pressure at the same time.
Exhaust Back Pressure (Absolute)
Short Name: EBP
PID: 221445
Units: PSI
Max/Min: 55.0/0.0
Equation: ((A*256)+B)*0.03625
It is important that this reads the air pressure of your altitude in PSI (same with MAP and BARO) with Key On Engine Off, then it just adds Exhaust Back Pressure to that with engine running. [LINK]. 53 PSI is sensor limit.
Exhaust Gauge Pressure
Short Name: EGP
PID: 221445
Units: PSI
Max/Min: 30.0/0.0 (stock) 40.0/0.0
Equation: (((A*256)+B)*0.03625)-BARO ()
This works ONLY if you have an accurate barometer in your portable device. It takes the Exhaust Back Pressure(PSI) and subtracts the device barometric pressure reading, giving you the backpressure above atmospheric pressure. I tried this with my Nexus 7 up to 7500 feet and the tablet did not compensate for altitude, so this will work only at sea level for me.
Fuel Injector Pulse Width
Short Name: FIPW
PID: 221410
Units: ms
Max/Min: 6.0/0.0
Equation: ((A*256)+B)*.008
0.6 ms is "Standby", you need at least 1.0 ms for the injector to work, 3 ms is MAX for a running engine, and 6 ms is MAX for a cranking engine.
Injector Control Pressure
Short Name: ICP
PID: 221446
Units: PSI
Max/Min: 3000.0/0.0 (stock) 4000.0/0.0 (modified)
Equation: ((A*256)+B)*.57
**You will see barometric pressure KOEO
500 PSI is minimum before the truck will start, stock idle is about 475 on injectors with stock nozzles, about 2700-2800 is stock MAX, 700 is ICP sensor unplugged idle, and 2200 is ICP sensor unplugged while cranking.
Injector Pressure Regulator (Injector Control Pressure Duty Cycle)
Short Name: IPR
PID: 221434
Units: %
Max/Min: 100.0/0.0
Equation: A*0.39063
60% - 65% MAX (stock), but you don't want to exceed 40% - 50% at WOT. 9% - 12% is idle, with a stable reading - unstable readings here frequently indicate a problem. 14% is ICP sensor unplugged while running, and 31% is ICP sensor unplugged while cranking.
Engine Oil Temperature
Short Name: EOT
PID: 221310
Units: °F
Max/Min: 250.0/0.0
Equation: (((A*256)+B)/100)-40
I run about 180-190 in winter and 190-210 in summer (empty). For those still equipped with EPBVs, it can activate up to about 145-150 degrees F - it is best go easy on the throttle (on all 7.3Ls) until you get your EOT above that point. You may hear the injectors act "a little odd" as the EOT passes through 100 degrees F. For those wanting the Engine Coolant Temperature (ECT), get a separate gauge or handheld infrared/laser thermometer. You will not find it on the OBDII port.
Torque Converter Slip
Short Name: Slip
PID: 2211b8
Units: RPM
Max/Min: Max 500.0/0.0
Equation: ((A*256)+B)*0.6103
**I use this max for the sake of spotting slip, but the reading will peg to the right and give a high reading when Torque Converter is not locked. Torque Converter will not lock until Transmission Temp exceeds about 50 - 60 degrees F, you are in Drive, and moving at least 35 MPH (Torque Converter Lock Up - depending on your tune and conditions).
Transmission Fluid Temperature
Short Name: TFT
PID: 221674
Units: °F
Max/Min: 250.0/0.0
Equation: ((A*256)+B)/8
Max temps vary, depending on who you talk to... but 210 degrees F to 220 degrees F is the range that makes everybody raise an eyebrow. It has been mentioned by the forum's resident expert that the transmission doesn't reach optimum efficiency until about 165 degrees F.
Another trinket from Pikachu for OBS and some E99 trucks:
Transmission Fluid Temperature
Short Name: TFT
PID: 2211BD
Units: °F
Max/Min: 250.0/0.0
Equation: (((A*256)+B)*-0.0036)+212.98
OBD Header: C410F1
*note the 0.0036 is negative*
Transmission Gear
Short Name: Gear
PID: 2211b3
Units: Gear
Max/Min: 4/0
Equation: A/2
Pretty basic stuff here.
Critical Note:
Never ever add a gauge while connected with the engine running... no matter who sent the configuration. The data can have an error or a typo in it, so it's best to set up your gauge off-line, then connect to the truck KOEO after everything is set correctly (to the best of your knowledge). No data or the truck freaks out? Delete that gauge (but keep the PID in the list) until it can be resolved. I got bit a few times while playing with the *****, so I felt it best to pass that on. At the time of this writing, I am still wrestling with Boost and Exhaust Back Pressure Gauge readings (pressure above atmospheric pressure). This is all to say Torque is a tool for all vehicles... it's up to the user to sort out how to use it with each specific vehicle.
Long name:Barometer
Short name: BARO
PID: 221442
Max/Min: 15.0/10.0
Unit: PSI
Equation: ((A*256)+B)*0.03625
Header: C410F1
The Min/Max values above are for realistic altitudes, but those who traverse the Rockies may see lees than 10 PSI (over 10,000 feet). If you do, you can change the Max/Min to 15.0/9.0.
Manifold Absolute Pressure
Short Name: MAP
PID: 221440
Units: PSI
Max/Min: 45.0/0.0
Equation: ((A*256)+B)*0.03625
It is important that this reads the air pressure of your altitude in PSI (same with EBP and BARO) with Key On Engine Off, then it just adds boost to that while running. [LINK]
Manifold Gauge Pressure
Short Name: Boost
PID: 221440
Units: PSI
Max/Min: 30.0/0.0
Equation: (((A*256)+B)*0.03625)-[221442]
"-[221442]" subtracts the Barometric sensor (located on the PCM on some trucks, external on others) reading from the MAP reading - and this gives you just the boost pressure above atmospheric pressure. If you have a barometer in your portable device, you would be better off to take out "[221442]" and insert "BARO()", this will allow you to have Boost and Exhaust Gauge Pressure at the same time.
Exhaust Back Pressure (Absolute)
Short Name: EBP
PID: 221445
Units: PSI
Max/Min: 55.0/0.0
Equation: ((A*256)+B)*0.03625
It is important that this reads the air pressure of your altitude in PSI (same with MAP and BARO) with Key On Engine Off, then it just adds Exhaust Back Pressure to that with engine running. [LINK]. 53 PSI is sensor limit.
Exhaust Gauge Pressure
Short Name: EGP
PID: 221445
Units: PSI
Max/Min: 30.0/0.0 (stock) 40.0/0.0
Equation: (((A*256)+B)*0.03625)-BARO ()
This works ONLY if you have an accurate barometer in your portable device. It takes the Exhaust Back Pressure(PSI) and subtracts the device barometric pressure reading, giving you the backpressure above atmospheric pressure. I tried this with my Nexus 7 up to 7500 feet and the tablet did not compensate for altitude, so this will work only at sea level for me.
Fuel Injector Pulse Width
Short Name: FIPW
PID: 221410
Units: ms
Max/Min: 6.0/0.0
Equation: ((A*256)+B)*.008
0.6 ms is "Standby", you need at least 1.0 ms for the injector to work, 3 ms is MAX for a running engine, and 6 ms is MAX for a cranking engine.
Injector Control Pressure
Short Name: ICP
PID: 221446
Units: PSI
Max/Min: 3000.0/0.0 (stock) 4000.0/0.0 (modified)
Equation: ((A*256)+B)*.57
**You will see barometric pressure KOEO
500 PSI is minimum before the truck will start, stock idle is about 475 on injectors with stock nozzles, about 2700-2800 is stock MAX, 700 is ICP sensor unplugged idle, and 2200 is ICP sensor unplugged while cranking.
Injector Pressure Regulator (Injector Control Pressure Duty Cycle)
Short Name: IPR
PID: 221434
Units: %
Max/Min: 100.0/0.0
Equation: A*0.39063
60% - 65% MAX (stock), but you don't want to exceed 40% - 50% at WOT. 9% - 12% is idle, with a stable reading - unstable readings here frequently indicate a problem. 14% is ICP sensor unplugged while running, and 31% is ICP sensor unplugged while cranking.
Engine Oil Temperature
Short Name: EOT
PID: 221310
Units: °F
Max/Min: 250.0/0.0
Equation: (((A*256)+B)/100)-40
I run about 180-190 in winter and 190-210 in summer (empty). For those still equipped with EPBVs, it can activate up to about 145-150 degrees F - it is best go easy on the throttle (on all 7.3Ls) until you get your EOT above that point. You may hear the injectors act "a little odd" as the EOT passes through 100 degrees F. For those wanting the Engine Coolant Temperature (ECT), get a separate gauge or handheld infrared/laser thermometer. You will not find it on the OBDII port.
Torque Converter Slip
Short Name: Slip
PID: 2211b8
Units: RPM
Max/Min: Max 500.0/0.0
Equation: ((A*256)+B)*0.6103
**I use this max for the sake of spotting slip, but the reading will peg to the right and give a high reading when Torque Converter is not locked. Torque Converter will not lock until Transmission Temp exceeds about 50 - 60 degrees F, you are in Drive, and moving at least 35 MPH (Torque Converter Lock Up - depending on your tune and conditions).
Transmission Fluid Temperature
Short Name: TFT
PID: 221674
Units: °F
Max/Min: 250.0/0.0
Equation: ((A*256)+B)/8
Max temps vary, depending on who you talk to... but 210 degrees F to 220 degrees F is the range that makes everybody raise an eyebrow. It has been mentioned by the forum's resident expert that the transmission doesn't reach optimum efficiency until about 165 degrees F.
Another trinket from Pikachu for OBS and some E99 trucks:
Transmission Fluid Temperature
Short Name: TFT
PID: 2211BD
Units: °F
Max/Min: 250.0/0.0
Equation: (((A*256)+B)*-0.0036)+212.98
OBD Header: C410F1
*note the 0.0036 is negative*
Transmission Gear
Short Name: Gear
PID: 2211b3
Units: Gear
Max/Min: 4/0
Equation: A/2
Pretty basic stuff here.
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That is a list of PIDs that has been proven to work on later trucks (E99s are fickle), but not all are as accurate as I like. Some of them need a little verification and/or tweaking of the formula.
On the topic of temperatures, I have verified all of mine on my former truck "Stinky", but Frankestinky has some issues either with the 5 volts or with some sensors - and my settings don't show the same results that they did on Stinky.
As for what I monitor on a daily basis...
1&2: I have Boost on one gauge, and EBP minus MAP on another gauge next to boost. The EBP minus MAP shows if I have a problem with the efficiency of the turbo, or if I get any air leaks.
3&4: TFT and Torque Converter Slip are next to each other. Once you get past about 35 MPH (not heavy on throttle), the slip had better dip to single digits or you have issues that can lead to replacing a $4000 transmission.
5: EOT - gotta keep an eye on those temps.
6&7: I have my battery voltage and the transmission gear as digital numbers (not gauges) in the spaces between the gauges.
8,9 & 10: On the second page, I have ICP, IPR, and FIPW. I almost never look at those anymore, but when troubleshooting a running (or not) condition, this is the first flick of the finger on the screen.
At one point or another, I've tinkered with just about every PID available to me, but the above list is after years of overloading - then culling the list down to the essentials.
I also have analog gauges for both exhaust manifolds (EGTs) and fuel pressure. With two gauges, I can see a temperature difference of around 25 to 75 degrees between the manifolds. If I'm pulling that big hill "on the line" and only one gauge shows me the lower temperature of the two, I could be unwittingly hurting the truck. Stock trucks protect themselves by not fueling enough to get high EGTs, but 20 years later - an exhaust leak can sabotage the factory engineer's efforts to protect the truck.
Here's a more comprehensive list from a couple of years back. https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...nced-pids.html
On the topic of temperatures, I have verified all of mine on my former truck "Stinky", but Frankestinky has some issues either with the 5 volts or with some sensors - and my settings don't show the same results that they did on Stinky.
As for what I monitor on a daily basis...
1&2: I have Boost on one gauge, and EBP minus MAP on another gauge next to boost. The EBP minus MAP shows if I have a problem with the efficiency of the turbo, or if I get any air leaks.
3&4: TFT and Torque Converter Slip are next to each other. Once you get past about 35 MPH (not heavy on throttle), the slip had better dip to single digits or you have issues that can lead to replacing a $4000 transmission.
5: EOT - gotta keep an eye on those temps.
6&7: I have my battery voltage and the transmission gear as digital numbers (not gauges) in the spaces between the gauges.
8,9 & 10: On the second page, I have ICP, IPR, and FIPW. I almost never look at those anymore, but when troubleshooting a running (or not) condition, this is the first flick of the finger on the screen.
At one point or another, I've tinkered with just about every PID available to me, but the above list is after years of overloading - then culling the list down to the essentials.
I also have analog gauges for both exhaust manifolds (EGTs) and fuel pressure. With two gauges, I can see a temperature difference of around 25 to 75 degrees between the manifolds. If I'm pulling that big hill "on the line" and only one gauge shows me the lower temperature of the two, I could be unwittingly hurting the truck. Stock trucks protect themselves by not fueling enough to get high EGTs, but 20 years later - an exhaust leak can sabotage the factory engineer's efforts to protect the truck.
Here's a more comprehensive list from a couple of years back. https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...nced-pids.html
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