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Old Apr 4, 2013 | 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Painted Horse
The fuel in his tank may not have been contaminated. But that doesn't mean he has not had contaminate fuel last week or last month. Is the failure of the HPFP instantaneous when bad fuel passes through it? Or is it cumulative over a period of time. Water in the fuel causes rust, The rust that causes the failure could come from fuel you bought two weeks ago.

I don't know the answer. I'm sure that extreme cases such as DEF or GAS in your fuel create a problem much quicker. But what is the time frame for a couple drops of water her and a couple drops of water there to cause a failure?

I just don't buy the response that "my fuel sample showed no water, so it wasn't water that caused the problem".
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I must respectfully disagree...at least in several of the HPFP failures I am aware of.

First, in my case, no water or contaminate found anywhere in the fuel system and the only place rust was found on any fuel system part was outside the pump and not ever exposed to fuel flow. All internal parts of the fuel sytem, those wetted by fuel, were in "contaminate free" condition.

The current OP's post said the dealer determined that there was gas in his fuel...based on some styrofoam cup test. He provided that information to Ford in a CuDL report that caused red flags to fly regarding the repair. Two subsequent shops, one a Ford dealer, reported finding no gas in the fuel or other contaminants. Either there was gas in the fuel tank, which melted the styrofoam, or there was not gas in the fuel tank. The cumulative effects you are referencing would show contaminate traces downstream from the secondary filter including the inside of the pump...but they would not show up as a large volume of contaminants and "melt" the cup.

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Old Apr 4, 2013 | 12:28 PM
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I have an extended warranty through Geico - Rick's failure, while not covered by Ford, was covered by his extended warranty and his out of pocket expenses were minimal. Don't think for a minute that he paid full price for his repairs. That's the part that gets left out on all these rehashings.

In this day and age of computer controlled everything, you'd be taking a big gamble by NOT having extended warranties on any vehicle, not just these trucks. Pay your premiums, enjoy the peace of mind of knowing you're covered regardless, and GO ENJOY YOUR DAMN TRUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Buy one if you're thinking about, spring for the up-front cost of the extended warranty or go cheap with Geico or other insurance carriers, and GO ENJOY YOUR DAMN TRUCK!!!!!
 
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Old Apr 4, 2013 | 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by 2horses
I have an extended warranty through Geico - Rick's failure, while not covered by Ford, was covered by his extended warranty and his out of pocket expenses were minimal. Don't think for a minute that he paid full price for his repairs. That's the part that gets left out on all these rehashings.

In this day and age of computer controlled everything, you'd be taking a big gamble by NOT having extended warranties on any vehicle, not just these trucks. Pay your premiums, enjoy the peace of mind of knowing you're covered regardless, and GO ENJOY YOUR DAMN TRUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Buy one if you're thinking about, spring for the up-front cost of the extended warranty or go cheap with Geico or other insurance carriers, and GO ENJOY YOUR DAMN TRUCK!!!!!
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Old Apr 4, 2013 | 12:44 PM
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The bigger problem, IMHO, with these HPFP failures, is that most of the failures though all the brands, will end up happening after warranty, and by the time warranty is over, the repair will cost a major percentage of the trucks value.
 
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Old Apr 4, 2013 | 01:03 PM
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LOL!! Taking a bow....
 
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Old Apr 4, 2013 | 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by 2horses
I have an extended warranty through Geico - Rick's failure, while not covered by Ford, was covered by his extended warranty and his out of pocket expenses were minimal. Don't think for a minute that he paid full price for his repairs. That's the part that gets left out on all these rehashings.

In this day and age of computer controlled everything, you'd be taking a big gamble by NOT having extended warranties on any vehicle, not just these trucks. Pay your premiums, enjoy the peace of mind of knowing you're covered regardless, and GO ENJOY YOUR DAMN TRUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Buy one if you're thinking about, spring for the up-front cost of the extended warranty or go cheap with Geico or other insurance carriers, and GO ENJOY YOUR DAMN TRUCK!!!!!
I think your kidding yourself. If Ford won't warranty the truck I can guarantee you that these other warranty companies are not going to warranty your truck. If you read the OP's original post you will notice his insurance rejected him. If such coverage existed we could relax.
 
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Old Apr 4, 2013 | 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by 2horses
LOL!! Taking a bow....
Pam

You may take your bow... but your statement is patently incorrect...unless you paid for some extended warranty on my truck...you would also be incorrect in assuming extended warranty would be involved or had covered the repairs. First, I was well below the supposed 100,000 mile engine limitation and 4 years short of timing out on the 5 years. In fact, I was still within the 3/36,000 bumper to bumper coverage. Why would you think that buying additional warranty coverage should entitle one better coverage than the base warranty? Or why would you think that a claim denied by basic warranty would be covered by extended...the same people administer the Ford warranty approvals or denials.

I find it interesting that you would infer that I have left out information about how my bill was handled. I have never hid the fact that I was fortunate and thankful to keep my out of pocket expenses at $650.00. But, I am amazed that some here think that because the dollar amount was seemingly insignificant due to insurance coverage that everything should be forgotten...and by who's standard does $650.00 become insignificant.

I was fortunate...my Auto Insurance carrier paid for the repairs...this has been effectively stopped at this point because the entire industry except Ford acknowledges the shortcomings of the CP4 pump and warranties all failures. I was just notified today of an Audi, with a CP 4 pump having 2 failures in less than 1000 miles being repaired twice under warranty. The auto insurance carrier's are onto Ford's scam and will limit coverage wherever possible..as they should... it's Ford's problem not theirs...

So, as I said, enjoy your round of applause...bow if you must...but sorry, you were still wrong...

Note to Jefff: You are right about basic Auto coverage but the insurance Pam is actually referencing is an added cost rider available from Geico for "mechanical breakdown". Until my debacle, not many even knew it existed. A GM guy, Huntindog, was the first person to bring mention of this coverage to this forum. What Pam left out is premium cost differential depending on the truck manufacturer. IIRC, the difference between a Ford with a CP4 pump and a GM with a CP4 pump is 400% higher for the Ford...still likely a bargain but it does tell you that the underwriters are onto the Ford scam.

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Old Apr 4, 2013 | 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by parkland
The bigger problem, IMHO, with these HPFP failures, is that most of the failures though all the brands, will end up happening after warranty, and by the time warranty is over, the repair will cost a major percentage of the trucks value.

I agree! It's a bad design.
 
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Old Apr 4, 2013 | 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Jefff H
I agree! It's a bad design.
Cuz a few people out of the hundreds of thousands of 6.7's on the road said they had problems here? I'm done with this drama...that's all it is.

I'm going to go enjoy my truck and not live in fear
 
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Old Apr 4, 2013 | 03:02 PM
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Cuz a few people out of the hundreds of thousands of 6.7's on the road said they had problems here? I'm done with this drama...that's all it is.

I'm going to go enjoy my truck and not live in fear
I don't think anybody getting stuck with a 10k dollar repair is out of line for complaining. How can this problem not get any worse as our trucks put on more miles?

If it's not a problem, why is Ford not on here giving us actual facts and figures?
 
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Old Apr 4, 2013 | 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by rickatic
Pam

You may take your bow... but your statement is patently incorrect...unless you paid for some extended warranty on my truck...you would also be incorrect in assuming extended warranty would be involved or had covered the repairs. First, I was well below the supposed 100,000 mile engine limitation and 4 years short of timing out on the 5 years. In fact, I was still within the 3/36,000 bumper to bumper coverage. Why would you think that buying additional warranty coverage should entitle one better coverage than the base warranty? Or why would you think that a claim denied by basic warranty would be covered by extended...the same people administer the Ford warranty approvals or denials.

I find it interesting that you would infer that I have left out information about how my bill was handled. I have never hid the fact that I was fortunate and thankful to keep my out of pocket expenses at $650.00. But, I am amazed that some here think that because the dollar amount was seemingly insignificant due to insurance coverage that everything should be forgotten...and by who's standard does $650.00 become insignificant.

I was fortunate...my Auto Insurance carrier paid for the repairs...this has been effectively stopped at this point because the entire industry except Ford acknowledges the shortcomings of the CP4 pump and warranties all failures. I was just notified today of an Audi, with a CP 4 pump having 2 failures in less than 1000 miles being repaired twice under warranty. The auto insurance carrier's are onto Ford's scam and will limit coverage wherever possible..as they should... it's Ford's problem not theirs...

So, as I said, enjoy your round of applause...bow if you must...but sorry, you were still wrong...

Note to Jefff: You are right about basic Auto coverage but the insurance Pam is actually referencing is an added cost rider available from Geico for "mechanical breakdown". Until my debacle, not many even knew it existed. A GM guy, Huntindog, was the first person to bring mention of this coverage to this forum. What Pam left out is premium cost differential depending on the truck manufacturer. IIRC, the difference between a Ford with a CP4 pump and a GM with a CP4 pump is 400% higher for the Ford...still likely a bargain but it does tell you that the underwriters are onto the Ford scam.

Regards
Sorry Rick if I got the exact facts incorrect; I knew something had kicked in and covered your repairs, thought it was an insurance warranty (as opposed to actual insurance policy) so my mistake. I still think $650 as compared to $10k is chump change, and my Geico coverage is less than $200/year. I knew about the Geico deal when they, not this forum, simply added it to my premium when I bought this truck.

And my inference was not specifically for you - anyone who regurgitates your story tends to leave out the fact that you got covered, by whatever means. Makes it more hopeless and full of doom, instead of saying, "Yeah, Ford screwed up, but thank goodness his insurance covered it anyway. Might wanna check yours just in case." Takes away the sensationalism if it's worded it like that.

And I still think that the folks on this forum should quit worrying about the what-ifs and just enjoy their trucks. Life's too short; and it is, after all, just a truck.
 
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Old Apr 4, 2013 | 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Jefff H
I don't think anybody getting stuck with a 10k dollar repair is out of line for complaining. How can this problem not get any worse as our trucks put on more miles?

If it's not a problem, why is Ford not on here giving us actual facts and figures?
I get why Ricktatic is here, it's his obsession and his crusade.

I think the better question than why Ford isn't here, is why are you still on here?

If Ford's customer service is so bad and the HPFP design is SO BAD and things are only going to get worse, shouldn't you be selling and going to another brand as quick as you can?

If you're not willing to sell the truck due to these perceived problems, then either you don't truly think they're as serious as you like to claim they are, and the upside of the truck far outweighs the risk, or you just like to complain about things.

Either way, the constant broken record rings a little hollow. Or at least it does with me anyway.

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Old Apr 4, 2013 | 04:43 PM
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Just a guess here but if you were not part of this forum you would probably never have known this"problem" exists.If you weren't on this forum you would drive your truck prolly "problem" free and not worry over anything.If you have no power to change whats going to happen don't think twice about it.Waste of time and probably for no reason.
 
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Old Apr 4, 2013 | 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by B&LLandscaping
I get why Ricktatic is here, it's his obsession and his crusade.

I think the better question than why Ford isn't here, is why are you still on here?

If Ford's customer service is so bad and the HPFP design is SO BAD and things are only going to get worse, shouldn't you be selling and going to another brand as quick as you can?

If you're not willing to sell the truck due to these perceived problems, then either you don't truly think they're as serious as you like to claim they are, and the upside of the truck far outweighs the risk, or you just like to complain about things.

Either way, the constant broken record rings a little hollow. Or at least it does with me anyway.

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I think we should all stand behind the OP, Rick, and all the people in their situation. I think what happened to them and others is criminal and am surprised you don't support them.

I come on here for many reasons. One of them is I thinks it's important to let Ford know what we like and dislike about the product. I also keep coming on here hoping to find solutions to some of these problems.

I would love to see Ford step up and do the right thing and offer a solution to this problem. Ford should offer 200k miles of protection on the HPFP and any valve related issue. If it's not much of an problem like you say it wont cost them anything.
 
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Old Apr 4, 2013 | 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Jefff H
I think we should all stand behind the OP, Rick, and all the people in their situation. I think what happened to them and others is criminal and am surprised you don't support them.

I come on here for many reasons. One of them is I thinks it's important to let Ford know what we like and dislike about the product. I also keep coming on here hoping to find solutions to some of these problems.

I would love to see Ford step up and do the right thing and offer a solution to this problem. Ford should offer 200k miles of protection on the HPFP and any valve related issue. If it's not much of an problem like you say it wont cost them anything.
Absolutely!!..... Isn't one problem that Ford does NOT stand behind....Too many..

When the aircraft is catapulted off of the Carrier and has a computer failure that puts it and the pilot in the drink........"Only a few Die" isn't good enough.!!!
Yes I know this is different.....but somewhat the same.

25K miles on my F-350. Headed to Tucson with it and 5th wheel in tow come May 7th. I love the Truck.......But I do understand it could be better for VERY little money.

Thanks Guys........Roy
 
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