Bleed ford until hpfp failure
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With almost any warranty - and insurance, they can allege misuse, one of those things is fuel quality, where Ford/other company can easily state the fuel is out of spec, and tell you to pursue the issue with the fuel supplier. Both companies stone wall the end consumer, until they can't be bothered pursuing it.
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My point is that if you really want peace of mind, in case the HPOP ever blows up and takes your entire fuel system with it, you should do one of two things, possibly both.
1) Put in a high quality filtering setup, that can filter particulates, possibly including a grenaded HPOP. See here http://www.dieselsite.com/dieselsite...separator.aspx
The owner had the same HPOP failure happen to him as well, plus it's a better fuel/water separator than the Ford system. Note: I have no personal or financial interest in this.
2) Change the HPOP out every 50-60k miles, before it spits out a bunch of diamond monofilament shavings (from pump cylinder coating). Drop the tank, 976 bones later you're done. Either do it yourself or pay for the labor.
Ford High Pressure Oil Pump / Injection Pump Powerstroke 6.7L - ForDiesels.com
At this point, it's pretty evident that the HPOP is a WEAR item, not a life of the truck product. Change it like you would a timing belt to protect your investment beyond 100k miles.
US fuel does not meet Bosch fuel pump specs, and will never meet those specs. Refiners and the EPA do not give rats behind about you or your hard earned money.
Insurance policies can be denied. The above two steps cannot be denied, because the equipment will be yours.
Peace of mind is priceless.
1) Put in a high quality filtering setup, that can filter particulates, possibly including a grenaded HPOP. See here http://www.dieselsite.com/dieselsite...separator.aspx
The owner had the same HPOP failure happen to him as well, plus it's a better fuel/water separator than the Ford system. Note: I have no personal or financial interest in this.
2) Change the HPOP out every 50-60k miles, before it spits out a bunch of diamond monofilament shavings (from pump cylinder coating). Drop the tank, 976 bones later you're done. Either do it yourself or pay for the labor.
Ford High Pressure Oil Pump / Injection Pump Powerstroke 6.7L - ForDiesels.com
At this point, it's pretty evident that the HPOP is a WEAR item, not a life of the truck product. Change it like you would a timing belt to protect your investment beyond 100k miles.
US fuel does not meet Bosch fuel pump specs, and will never meet those specs. Refiners and the EPA do not give rats behind about you or your hard earned money.
Insurance policies can be denied. The above two steps cannot be denied, because the equipment will be yours.
Peace of mind is priceless.
Last edited by Powerdude; Aug 6, 2013 at 06:09 PM. Reason: info
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Powerdude, you keep saying "HPOP" but I really think you mean HPFP. Right? What does the oil pump have to do with any of this?
That's pretty cool. Thanks for sharing!
Put in a high quality filtering setup, that can filter particulates, possibly including a grenaded HPOP. See here http://www.dieselsite.com/dieselsite...separator.aspx
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But they haven't. And you're selectively processing information in order to further your point which has little basis in reality at this point in time. I don't know what this will look like five years down the road, but you're making lots of grandiose claims without any data to back them up.
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The main issue with the HPOP, IMHO, is it uses the fuel to lubricate it. If there are issues with the fuel, it will cause issues with the pump through lack of lubrication, and we have seen what happens to the engine when the pump fails...
Running the pump dry/having water in it/the fuel itself not having enough lubrication could all be causes of this. If the fuel was fine, I would assume/hope that the pump would last the life of the engine.
I know VW did a service action on their TDI's which have a similar pump (the 4.1) that were experiencing failures - and that was modifying the tank inlet to prevent the owner putting regular gas in it... which they said was what was causing a number of their pumps to go out. I personally thought that was a pretty poor excuse - because if you put gas in a diesel, you will probably have an engine block with external rods before your fuel pump goes out.
Running the pump dry/having water in it/the fuel itself not having enough lubrication could all be causes of this. If the fuel was fine, I would assume/hope that the pump would last the life of the engine.
I know VW did a service action on their TDI's which have a similar pump (the 4.1) that were experiencing failures - and that was modifying the tank inlet to prevent the owner putting regular gas in it... which they said was what was causing a number of their pumps to go out. I personally thought that was a pretty poor excuse - because if you put gas in a diesel, you will probably have an engine block with external rods before your fuel pump goes out.
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if you put gas in a diesel, you will probably have an engine block with external rods before your fuel pump goes out.
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Id like to get rid of the separator and replace it with something better. There have been a few cases of the tires throwing stones and busting it causing lack of fuel. There is a spot where I use to cross a brook on the farm that the brook has cut a gulley and its been that way for decades. We call it the Cross the Bridge Lot because in the horse drawn equipment days there was a bridge there. My regular cab trucks and big trucks go in and out without a problem but the long wheelbase trucks settle down on the frame there and go through but the uneven terain makes a busted plastic separator likely. To much plastic critical parts on these trucks.
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My point is that if you really want peace of mind, in case the HPOP ever blows up and takes your entire fuel system with it, you should do one of two things, possibly both.
1) Put in a high quality filtering setup, that can filter particulates, possibly including a grenaded HPOP. See here http://www.dieselsite.com/dieselsite...separator.aspx
The owner had the same HPOP failure happen to him as well, plus it's a better fuel/water separator than the Ford system. Note: I have no personal or financial interest in this.
2) Change the HPOP out every 50-60k miles, before it spits out a bunch of diamond monofilament shavings (from pump cylinder coating). Drop the tank, 976 bones later you're done. Either do it yourself or pay for the labor.
Ford High Pressure Oil Pump / Injection Pump Powerstroke 6.7L - ForDiesels.com
At this point, it's pretty evident that the HPOP is a WEAR item, not a life of the truck product. Change it like you would a timing belt to protect your investment beyond 100k miles.
US fuel does not meet Bosch fuel pump specs, and will never meet those specs. Refiners and the EPA do not give rats behind about you or your hard earned money.
Insurance policies can be denied. The above two steps cannot be denied, because the equipment will be yours.
Peace of mind is priceless.
1) Put in a high quality filtering setup, that can filter particulates, possibly including a grenaded HPOP. See here http://www.dieselsite.com/dieselsite...separator.aspx
The owner had the same HPOP failure happen to him as well, plus it's a better fuel/water separator than the Ford system. Note: I have no personal or financial interest in this.
2) Change the HPOP out every 50-60k miles, before it spits out a bunch of diamond monofilament shavings (from pump cylinder coating). Drop the tank, 976 bones later you're done. Either do it yourself or pay for the labor.
Ford High Pressure Oil Pump / Injection Pump Powerstroke 6.7L - ForDiesels.com
At this point, it's pretty evident that the HPOP is a WEAR item, not a life of the truck product. Change it like you would a timing belt to protect your investment beyond 100k miles.
US fuel does not meet Bosch fuel pump specs, and will never meet those specs. Refiners and the EPA do not give rats behind about you or your hard earned money.
Insurance policies can be denied. The above two steps cannot be denied, because the equipment will be yours.
Peace of mind is priceless.
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The 6.7 is designed to run on ulsd. But, I always run additives, supposed to help with lubricity.
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At this point it's pretty evident that you are using some pretty funny logic in your declarations. HPFP failures have been few and far between, and there is NO common condition around their failure that I've ever seen other than the likelihood of a bad tank of fuel. If you were right high mileage folks like NEMOTORCARS or ruschejj would have gone through two or three of them by now.
But they haven't. And you're selectively processing information in order to further your point which has little basis in reality at this point in time. I don't know what this will look like five years down the road, but you're making lots of grandiose claims without any data to back them up.
But they haven't. And you're selectively processing information in order to further your point which has little basis in reality at this point in time. I don't know what this will look like five years down the road, but you're making lots of grandiose claims without any data to back them up.
I agree 100% with Tom and 2horses. These fuel pumps are not an issue. The issue is a mistaken diagnosis by a service writer.
My job 1 07/2010 build truck with the original fuel pump has 172,000 miles on it. My stock fuel/water separator has never produced a drop of water in that time. Obviously my fuel doesn't sit very long.....
Carry on, nothing to see here folks.