Bleed ford until hpfp failure
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I think even regular diesel eats foam.
I remember years ago, a crap old fishing boat, was filled with flotation foam. We had to do repairs, but the foam had to be removed. We poured diesel in there, and foam turned to snotty gel.
I remember years ago, a crap old fishing boat, was filled with flotation foam. We had to do repairs, but the foam had to be removed. We poured diesel in there, and foam turned to snotty gel.
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From: Milford, MI
Reading that earlier in the thread peaked my interest so I tried with a styrofoam coffee cup and a diesel sample from a filter I changed out earlier in the day(I did test it for bio, it was straight diesel). Cup was not phased by it for the half hour I stared at it. I plan on doing it again and then add some gas to see what happens.
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From: League City, TX
Reading that earlier in the thread peaked my interest so I tried with a styrofoam coffee cup and a diesel sample from a filter I changed out earlier in the day(I did test it for bio, it was straight diesel). Cup was not phased by it for the half hour I stared at it. I plan on doing it again and then add some gas to see what happens.
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Reading that earlier in the thread peaked my interest so I tried with a styrofoam coffee cup and a diesel sample from a filter I changed out earlier in the day(I did test it for bio, it was straight diesel). Cup was not phased by it for the half hour I stared at it. I plan on doing it again and then add some gas to see what happens.
Still, I can't believe that a styrofoam cup is a good enough test to deny a 10,000$ warranty claim.
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100% diesel. Hard to find bio around here.
I concur. Never heard of such a test on the German side of the diesel world. We have fuel density testers to check bio% and which would indicate " other contaminates". I plan on experimenting with there " test" some more tomorrow.
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From: Roll Tide, Roll
I dont get any of these dealers / fords. The dealer ive dealt with and if there is any thought off fuel related problem. They pull several samples and send it out for testing. No disrepect to a dealer but all should mandate it. Outside lab test. Totally unbiased.
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From: nestor falls, canada
I just don't understand how these dealers are out there who don't step up to help their customers.
I have worked at dealership for way too many years (sales end, not service)
and we would do everything to help a customer (within Fords rules) and I dont recall us ever failing to get Ford to cover what we felt was a legitimate claim.
What seems more troubling in these threads is how a dealer who seems convinced to "not" help a customer can convince Ford to play that game?
I am sure Ford get many complaints from customers who were "rightfully" denied but somehow they should have a mechanism to at least investigate when a customer is adament in their disagreement with dealership.
The dealers previous history would play a big role and maybe these "dealers involved" in these threads are in high standing with Ford so they (Ford) go along with them and their original decision to decline.
The REAL problem is with the dealer who starts this. Obviously they have not thought it through and understand that ultimately its the customers who pay the bills to keep the dealership profitable. Ford pay warranty but if you chase away too many customers soon no one will have cheques coming in.
The dealer OR Ford. At least thats how it is in small town Canada...
There honestly seems to be no solution?
I have worked at dealership for way too many years (sales end, not service)
and we would do everything to help a customer (within Fords rules) and I dont recall us ever failing to get Ford to cover what we felt was a legitimate claim.
What seems more troubling in these threads is how a dealer who seems convinced to "not" help a customer can convince Ford to play that game?
I am sure Ford get many complaints from customers who were "rightfully" denied but somehow they should have a mechanism to at least investigate when a customer is adament in their disagreement with dealership.
The dealers previous history would play a big role and maybe these "dealers involved" in these threads are in high standing with Ford so they (Ford) go along with them and their original decision to decline.
The REAL problem is with the dealer who starts this. Obviously they have not thought it through and understand that ultimately its the customers who pay the bills to keep the dealership profitable. Ford pay warranty but if you chase away too many customers soon no one will have cheques coming in.
The dealer OR Ford. At least thats how it is in small town Canada...
There honestly seems to be no solution?
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If they find bad fuel, at least they can share those results with you to go further.
And if they find rusty parts in the fuel system, that means that the fuel system they installed in the truck is not working properly, and it's their problem.
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This may be a serious allegation but from the beginning of this fiasco I have felt like the original dealer intended for me to pay out of pocket for the repair then they would bill ford for the repair under warranty. Therefore making out twice. I do not no if this is even possible just a gut feeling. Remember in my original post the dealer waited until I came with tow truck to get my vehicle did they tell me to wait 20 minutes until the paper work was prepared. At this point they informed ford of the contamination and I was in trouble.
It is still a shame that ford would stand behind them without any consideration for the consumer. I do feel this is a dealer problem but ford has not helped in any way.
It is still a shame that ford would stand behind them without any consideration for the consumer. I do feel this is a dealer problem but ford has not helped in any way.
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I agree with you here. There are two sides to every story.
A few weeks ago my son asked to borrow my truck to go out of town for some home repair supplies. He had to endure a 15 minute lecture about where the diesel goes, Ignore the little blue cap, Always look for a green hose, but double check it to make sure it's hooked to a diesel pump, Check, Check, And double check that you are putting diesel in my truck.
He has borrowed my trucks in the past and always gets the same lecture, even tho he is 30 years old and very responsible. Mistakes happen. I'm not saying all HPFP failures are mis-fuels. But, I bet a lot are. I witnessed a guy grab the wrong hose here while back. Luckily he caught himself before any gas went in.
I am a big proponent of diesel pumps not having gas hoses hooked to them. This would help to some degree, and it would keep all those gassers out of my way.
But I know merchants wouldn't like that arrangement.
My fingers are crossed.
A few weeks ago my son asked to borrow my truck to go out of town for some home repair supplies. He had to endure a 15 minute lecture about where the diesel goes, Ignore the little blue cap, Always look for a green hose, but double check it to make sure it's hooked to a diesel pump, Check, Check, And double check that you are putting diesel in my truck.
He has borrowed my trucks in the past and always gets the same lecture, even tho he is 30 years old and very responsible. Mistakes happen. I'm not saying all HPFP failures are mis-fuels. But, I bet a lot are. I witnessed a guy grab the wrong hose here while back. Luckily he caught himself before any gas went in.
I am a big proponent of diesel pumps not having gas hoses hooked to them. This would help to some degree, and it would keep all those gassers out of my way.
But I know merchants wouldn't like that arrangement.My fingers are crossed.
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From: Frederick, MD
Having driven diesel trucks for over 45 years I think I would be an expert on pumping diesel, how ever I recently took a trip to Indiana and was passing through Ill. and stopped at a BP station and grabed the green filler hose and pumped 27 gal. of regular gas into the tank. Just as I was about to start the truck my grandson says to me (why did you put gas in the truck?) I turned to the pump to see it was marked regular, you don't ever want to ever sipon 27 plus gal of gas from a F250.
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From: Door Cty/Florida
Having driven diesel trucks for over 45 years I think I would be an expert on pumping diesel, how ever I recently took a trip to Indiana and was passing through Ill. and stopped at a BP station and grabed the green filler hose and pumped 27 gal. of regular gas into the tank. Just as I was about to start the truck my grandson says to me (why did you put gas in the truck?) I turned to the pump to see it was marked regular, you don't ever want to ever sipon 27 plus gal of gas from a F250.
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We all make mistakes.
The more comfortable you are doing something, the more you risk one of those mistakes.
Good thing he's your grandson 'cause now you can really spoil him for saving you a truckload of cash!
The more comfortable you are doing something, the more you risk one of those mistakes.
Good thing he's your grandson 'cause now you can really spoil him for saving you a truckload of cash!