Texas Gun Thread
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From: Bedroom community Big D
You betcha.
It's my zombie protection....well, okay, coyote dispatcher.
I like to shoot. Ammo cost is a concern; thus the .223 Rem or 5.56 NATO rounds (@~$0.20 ea in bulk) fit the bill.
American made; Stoner (M-16) style bolt action & receiver housing and Kalashnikov (AK-47) style recoil mechanism (two well proven designs). My 'Alpha' model has a chrome lined (18.5") barrel with M-16 style iron sights but the more popular 'Charlie' model has a 16" threaded barrel. The SU-16 brought to you Kel-Tec in Florida.
It's my zombie protection....well, okay, coyote dispatcher.
I like to shoot. Ammo cost is a concern; thus the .223 Rem or 5.56 NATO rounds (@~$0.20 ea in bulk) fit the bill.
American made; Stoner (M-16) style bolt action & receiver housing and Kalashnikov (AK-47) style recoil mechanism (two well proven designs). My 'Alpha' model has a chrome lined (18.5") barrel with M-16 style iron sights but the more popular 'Charlie' model has a 16" threaded barrel. The SU-16 brought to you Kel-Tec in Florida.
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From: Texas Coast
You betcha.
It's my zombie protection....well, okay, coyote dispatcher.
I like to shoot. Ammo cost is a concern; thus the .223 Rem or 5.56 NATO rounds (@~$0.20 ea in bulk) fit the bill.
American made; Stoner (M-16) style bolt action & receiver housing and Kalashnikov (AK-47) style recoil mechanism (two well proven designs). My 'Alpha' model has a chrome lined (18.5") barrel with M-16 style iron sights but the more popular 'Charlie' model has a 16" threaded barrel. The SU-16 brought to you Kel-Tec in Florida.
It's my zombie protection....well, okay, coyote dispatcher.
I like to shoot. Ammo cost is a concern; thus the .223 Rem or 5.56 NATO rounds (@~$0.20 ea in bulk) fit the bill.
American made; Stoner (M-16) style bolt action & receiver housing and Kalashnikov (AK-47) style recoil mechanism (two well proven designs). My 'Alpha' model has a chrome lined (18.5") barrel with M-16 style iron sights but the more popular 'Charlie' model has a 16" threaded barrel. The SU-16 brought to you Kel-Tec in Florida.
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From: Bedroom community Big D
All stock...
Original factory manufactured - comes with the Picatinny Rail and I added the tactical lighted MilDot reticle scope (& Kel-Tec sling). 
Take a look at the Kel-Tec website:
Kel Tec CNC
Take a look at the Kel-Tec website:
Kel Tec CNC
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From: Texarkana, TX
Seriously, we have a very stringent CHL procedure. It isn't like Florida where the requirements are that you are breathing. I've heard that the background check is more strict than if you were going into law enforcement.
Not a liberal...
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From: Cut & Shoot, Texas
If you like to shoot lots of ammo cheaply, spend next to nothing maintaining it, and never experience a malfunction.........Go with a AK platform. They are more accurate than given credit, and so rugged the only way to prevent it from firing is to KILL it's operator, ammo is dirt cheap (in 7.62x39mm) and plenty of accessories are available.
I also maintain and shoot several AR platforms and love them too, but if the choice was one or the other............It would be AK-47.
Glad to see the Lone Star state is as well armed as I would imagine!
We have our troubles in Oregon with the wacko liberals who run the govt' here, but our gun rights are still pretty much anything goes.
I also maintain and shoot several AR platforms and love them too, but if the choice was one or the other............It would be AK-47.
Glad to see the Lone Star state is as well armed as I would imagine!
We have our troubles in Oregon with the wacko liberals who run the govt' here, but our gun rights are still pretty much anything goes.
Tuned
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From: Gulf Coast, Texas
Arsenal makes AK's in the US. They are amongst the best there is in the world. Not all AK's are equal. A milled Arsenal AK has tight tolerances and will stand toe to toe with a quality AR for accuracy.
If you want reliability and cheap, get a bolt action .22LR
If you want reliability and cheap, get a bolt action .22LR
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From: McKenzie River
You didn't read my whole post...........
I HAVE 3 AR platforms as well, like em' just fine...........But in the real world, a AK makes more sense, CHEAP ammo, reliable like no other, rugged beyond belief, takes abuse no AR ever could, parts are a dime a dozen, plenty of accessories, more accurate then given credit.
I love my ARs too along with all by Brownings, Rugers, S&Ws, Colt's........
And my Euro offerings from Beretta, Walther, HK and SIG.
Buying American limits your choices somewhat in firearms.
Sometimes you just have to give the nod to the other guy, when it's due.
The AK series is a masterpiece of engineering and reliability, Mikhail Kalashnikov is a genius designer, just like John Moses Browning.........He just came from the other side of the line.....A line that's pretty much blurred now.
In terms of what makes a battlefield rifle great, reliability, ruggedness, accuracy, price per unit.........the AK beats the AR hands down.
I HAVE 3 AR platforms as well, like em' just fine...........But in the real world, a AK makes more sense, CHEAP ammo, reliable like no other, rugged beyond belief, takes abuse no AR ever could, parts are a dime a dozen, plenty of accessories, more accurate then given credit.
I love my ARs too along with all by Brownings, Rugers, S&Ws, Colt's........
And my Euro offerings from Beretta, Walther, HK and SIG.
Buying American limits your choices somewhat in firearms.
Sometimes you just have to give the nod to the other guy, when it's due.
The AK series is a masterpiece of engineering and reliability, Mikhail Kalashnikov is a genius designer, just like John Moses Browning.........He just came from the other side of the line.....A line that's pretty much blurred now.
In terms of what makes a battlefield rifle great, reliability, ruggedness, accuracy, price per unit.........the AK beats the AR hands down.
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From: Bedroom community Big D
Berettas & Fords
Old93junk, couldn't have said it better myself! I'm all for buying American WHEN the condition warrants. BUT there are times when American designers and manufacturers have to be the students rather than the professors. Why do you think Ford quality is what it is today IF the Japs hadn't kick our areses with better quality all during the '60s / '70s / '80s. It took that happening (loss of market share) in order to "wake up" the American auto makers. Now I bought a Ford; the last three previous new car buys (spanning more than a decade) were all Japanese. American quality is nothing to sneeze at nowadays. 
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I must agree with doublenot7. I have two AKs - one well over 30 yrs old and the other much newer. I also have an AR15. Both rifles are excellent and both shoot equally as well as the other. Even the 30+ AK works flawlessly. Even if the older AK was not made in the US, the design has made way for many of our newer rifles. For that matter, the SKS was and is a great design. It also has proven itself for many yrs. Good design - hard to break. Still used by army in many countries. There are many platforms that have their value. All are fun. Course I remember when the UZI was used in combat by a few, and not by some punk on the street. OLD design but still in use today. YES, I'm old but still dancing. WELL, at least in my dreams. 
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From: Bedroom community Big D
The AK....hard to argue with success.
I think the design (& manufacture) speaks for itself: the most deadly military weapon in the history of the world. More people worldwide have died as a result of the AK than any other weapon (including nuclear bombs!).
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From: Bedroom community Big D
Gotta luv it!
plumber01, I don't know where you found that picture but it's great! 
Your pic reminded me of this:
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Side note. I recall reading about a **** luger that was made and given away as commemorative gifts to some fairly high ranking German officers. The officers took their shinny new pistols after this gathering and of course, went back to their various commands scattered around Europe. Over time, the officers begin to shoot their pistols and unknown to them, the pistols were designed to misfire and blow up. Several officers were killed and many more badly (& permanently) injured. As bad as communications were at the time, this "misfortune" continued for quite some time before someone finally put two & two together and discovered the plot.
Your pic reminded me of this:
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Side note. I recall reading about a **** luger that was made and given away as commemorative gifts to some fairly high ranking German officers. The officers took their shinny new pistols after this gathering and of course, went back to their various commands scattered around Europe. Over time, the officers begin to shoot their pistols and unknown to them, the pistols were designed to misfire and blow up. Several officers were killed and many more badly (& permanently) injured. As bad as communications were at the time, this "misfortune" continued for quite some time before someone finally put two & two together and discovered the plot.
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From: Texas
Did he hit one out of the park with his design? Absolutely. Is he in the same league as JMB who was designing weapons that are still used today before Mikhail was even born? Not quite.
Ruggedness. I haven't seen too many military style weapons that were not.
Accuracy. There are many better offerings.
Price per unit. Another winner, especially when they finally let everyone else start producing copies.
I think the design (& manufacture) speaks for itself: the most deadly military weapon in the history of the world. More people worldwide have died as a result of the AK than any other weapon (including nuclear bombs!).
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From: McKenzie River
^^ Chris,.......Put a GOOD quality Russian, Yugoslav, Rumanian, E. German, or Polish AK on a bench rest and be prepared to have a myth about poor AK accuracy, busted...........
Put a Chinese or Egyptian AK on the same rest, and you will see where the myth started.
Not in the same league with the European counterparts.
Put a Chinese or Egyptian AK on the same rest, and you will see where the myth started.
Not in the same league with the European counterparts.