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Old Jan 18, 2010 | 09:39 PM
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always something to be said for making things with your hands...
 
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Old Jan 18, 2010 | 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by 7.3 Rocket
Sheldon maybe I seem like I'm lazy or not wanting to do manual labor and that is true. I'll avoid manual labor whenever I can. Machines can do work far faster than I ever could AND it saves wear and tear on me. Parts on a machine can be replaced far easier than parts can be replaced on me. That's what dad always says. Sheldon you've already had at least one knee replaced right?

Once you replace a joint it's never quite the same (says my mom the physical therapist) so I'm trying to avoid putting strain on my body when possible. Am I afraid of doing the work? No way.

Am I gonna shovel a pile by hand when I've got a skidsteer sitting right there ready for use? No. The machine can do it faster and I'm not wearing myself out. Simple. Dad's been doing this kinda work since he started his first company after he graduated highschool at 18. Now he's 52 and feeling every bit of it. Torn rotator cuff, bad back, had work done on one knee, and the doc says he's gonna have bad arthritis.

I don't romanticize manual labor. It flat out sucks. I don't mind it but like I said if you can do the same job faster with less effort you've increased efficiency and the more efficient you are the more profitable you are. In my mind the reason to go to work is to make money and the higher your profit the more money you make. Increase profit margins whenever possible.

I'm not saying my generation doesn't have an overinflated sense of self worth and entitlement. I'm also not saying I am immune from that either but I've also been working steady for the past 5 years (since I was 12) which is more than I can say for some adults.
Well put Pete.

About the part in bold, try telling that to some of the people I've worked for over the last 15 years. Seems they think that since you work for them, you need to WORK your @$$ off every single minute of every day. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm all for doing the work for the $$$, but there are easier (smarter) ways to do most jobs. Had some doozies over the years.

Originally Posted by Smokin'
I may be crazy (ok, no disputing that) but I am one of those people who actually enjoys manual labor. For some reason, if I am out all day gardening, or roofing, or movin stuff around, or shoveling, I feel "good". I mean I am worn out and tired and I usually find a way to smash a finger or something...but something about it is satisfying.
Agreed.

Originally Posted by jhand124
There is somthing to be said for the feeling of accomplishment at the end of the day. That feeling goes away if you do manual labor for a living.



I'm all for making the work as easy as possible because that = mo money.

Still requires "hard work" and doing it your self no one is going to do it for you. Work smarter not harder.

Totally agreed.


Work smarter not harder has been something I've been trying to do for many years.
 
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Old Jan 18, 2010 | 09:56 PM
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I was always able to work hard and smart at the same time.multitasking anyone??
 
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Old Jan 18, 2010 | 10:00 PM
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Old Jan 18, 2010 | 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by 7.3 Rocket
Sheldon maybe I seem like I'm lazy or not wanting to do manual labor and that is true.
Ever hear the expression first you learn to crawl, before you learn to walk? Very fitting here!!


Originally Posted by 7.3 Rocket
I'll avoid manual labor whenever I can. Machines can do work far faster than I ever could AND it saves wear and tear on me.
Wrong. Manual labour is ALWAYS needed, machines cant replace everything. Can some machines replace some things, sure, like tractors over horse's back in the day.

But manual labour should be the root for all work. If you can work hard, you will always excel over the guy that never learned that simple skill.


Originally Posted by 7.3 Rocket
Sheldon you've already had at least one knee replaced right?
Yes but thats due to a bad twist, not due to overworking it.
I do see the point your trying to make thoug, but there are guys that have physically worked hard all their life, and they are fine at the end of the day (I could go on about the importance of stretching out and warming up muscles, which most guys do do, and I feel that really causes most of the aches and pains later on in life)



Originally Posted by 7.3 Rocket
Am I gonna shovel a pile by hand when I've got a skidsteer sitting right there ready for use? No. The machine can do it faster and I'm not wearing myself out.
I would never expect a guy to overwork himself when not needed, but again, theres not a machine for every job out there. How do I know that? Ive done lots of jobs!

Originally Posted by 7.3 Rocket
Dad's been doing this kinda work since he started his first company after he graduated highschool at 18. Now he's 52 and feeling every bit of it. Torn rotator cuff, bad back, had work done on one knee, and the doc says he's gonna have bad arthritis.
Perfect time to brag about my old man! His big problem, he is over weight. He lieks to eat. At 56 years old he has slowed down, but thats due to his weight. Last year him and I got into a grain bin and had to shovel it out (was a weird bin we have where the sweep wont work, and the grain vac does a crappy job) and you should have seen that old guy giver.
My grandfather quit farming at around 85 or so, and he quit actually going into the bins to shovel when he was about 80.
POint being, they have done that work all their lives. It doesnt wear everyone out, people just need to learn to stretch and warm up!!!!
Also, do you know how many worn out truck drivers, and equipment operators there are out there? Most of the older guys get really bad backs from sitting all the time, its so much worse for you sitting in a machine, then getting out and doing something physical.

Originally Posted by 7.3 Rocket
I don't romanticize manual labor. It flat out sucks. I don't mind it but like I said if you can do the same job faster with less effort you've increased efficiency and the more efficient you are the more profitable you are. In my mind the reason to go to work is to make money and the higher your profit the more money you make. Increase profit margins whenever possible.
I love working hard. I love working till my body is sore. You have such a feeling of accomplishment, plus you get a great workout, that is unbeatable in a gym.
Regarding profits, again, no one said to shovel a gravel truck full of gravel. I know all about working efficiently, I have my own excavating business, Im the one that sees the dollars and cents get low if Im not efficient!

Again once you can work hard, then work smart, you will be so much more efficient then the worker that jsut works smart. Its a simple concept thats basically lost in most of todays youth.

Im not singling you out either, so dont take it personally, just using you as an example. I know alot of youths that cant do a damn thing, literally.

Originally Posted by Smokin'
I may be crazy (ok, no disputing that) but I am one of those people who actually enjoys manual labor. For some reason, if I am out all day gardening, or roofing, or movin stuff around, or shoveling, I feel "good". I mean I am worn out and tired and I usually find a way to smash a finger or something...but something about it is satisfying.
Hell yeah! Least im not the only one that enjoys getting out there, getting dirty, and getting tired at the end of the day!

Originally Posted by jhand124
There is somthing to be said for the feeling of accomplishment at the end of the day. That feeling goes away if you do manual labor for a living.
Yeah your somewhat right. I take pride in whatever I do though, so I get that sense of accomplishment no matter what, but your right, it does diminish a little if you do that kinda work all day everyday.


Originally Posted by jhand124
I'm all for making the work as easy as possible because that = mo money.

Still requires "hard work" and doing it your self no one is going to do it for you. Work smarter not harder.
Again, I disagree. Once you can work hard, then smart, youll always out work the guy that just learns to work smart.
To me its like doing a new job right, then fast. First ya get good at doing something, then do it fast.


By no way am I saying not to work smart either. Im just saying I feel a guy should learn how to work hard first, then smart. Working smart.. is well just smart! But you cant replace working smart, with working hard, or youll be just as useless as the guy that JUST works hard (chicken with his head cut off haha)
I feel very lucky that I got taught to work very hard when I was young. Add that into then working smarter, doing the job right, and doing it fast, and ya get a great employee (IMO anyways!)
 
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Old Jan 19, 2010 | 04:23 AM
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2. Nothing sucks more than that moment during an argument when you realize you're wrong.

3. I totally take back all those times I didn't want to nap when I was younger.

4. There is great need for a sarcasm font.

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18. My 4-year old son (grandson) asked me in the car the other day "Dad what would happen if you ran over a ninja?" How the heck do I respond to that?

19. I think the freezer deserves a light as well.

20. I disagree with Kay Jewelers. I would bet on any given Friday or Saturday night more kisses begin with Bud Light than Kay.
 
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Old Jan 19, 2010 | 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by preppypyro
Also, do you know how many worn out truck drivers, and equipment operators there are out there? Most of the older guys get really bad backs from sitting all the time, its so much worse for you sitting in a machine, then getting out and doing something physical.

#1 worst job for back injuries is truck driver, and #2 is heavy equipment operator.
BUT you are wrong on one thing. it is not from sitting on your butt all day with no exercise.
it is from spinal compression.
i have to go once a month for spinal decompression. 45 minutes on the machine. the startup treatments were 45 minutes every other day for 3 months. after 25 years of driving a truck, i ended up with 5 bulged and 3 herniated disc's in my neck and upper back, and 3 compressed disc's in my lower back.
 
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Old Jan 19, 2010 | 05:42 AM
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Old Jan 19, 2010 | 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by tjc transport
#1 worst job for back injuries is truck driver, and #2 is heavy equipment operator.
BUT you are wrong on one thing. it is not from sitting on your butt all day with no exercise. it is from spinal compression.
My bad, thanks for the correction. I cant imagine that sitting all day on your butt can help anything either though lol.

Seems like most of the truck drivers, equipment operators, and office people I know, have a problem with physical fitness too. Not all mind you, but the lack of exercise throughout the day in jobs like that can wear you out pretty bad!
 
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Old Jan 19, 2010 | 12:22 PM
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sittin on your *** all day without any exercise only makes ya fat.
 
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Old Jan 19, 2010 | 01:18 PM
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Old Jan 19, 2010 | 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by preppypyro
Also, do you know how many worn out truck drivers, and equipment operators there are out there? Most of the older guys get really bad backs from sitting all the time, its so much worse for you sitting in a machine, then getting out and doing something physical.
Shouldn't be as many wore out backs on truck drivers today as when I started.But the body don't get the workout with the newer stuff either so no exercize.
Back when we had 2U D8s, 3T D7s and 9U D6s to mention a few you really got a workout running a machine.The manual shift with hand clutch,anual steering clutches and steering brakes along with the power unit control lever kept you pretty fitBut the lack of comfy seats would jar you back to pieces
Put the machine on rock and add a ripper and it would about jar your teeth out
Not many operators alive today that could set on a machine like that for 12 to 14 hrs a day more like 2 if he could figure out how to move it
 
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