Notices
1973 - 1979 F-100 & Larger F-Series Trucks Discuss the Dentsides Ford Truck
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: Moser

First 360 / 390 Build

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Nov 10, 2024 | 11:01 AM
  #46  
440 sixpack's Avatar
440 sixpack
Lead Driver
5 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Community Builder
Joined: Oct 2018
Posts: 7,871
Likes: 2,360
Your machine shop will give you an assessment of what you have to work with and then your decisions will have to be made.

Often it comes down to how many miles do you want out of it and what are your performance expectations. if you're just looking for 50k miles or a little less it looks like you might get by pretty cheap by just freshening it up with the basics. if you want 100k miles expect to bore it, do the heads and turn the crank. if you want better performance the sky is the limit.

FE heads are pretty expensive to rebuild. no matter what you do figure on that expense.
 
Reply
Old Nov 10, 2024 | 01:41 PM
  #47  
GLR's Avatar
GLR
FTE Legend
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 53,968
Likes: 2,390
From: NY and VA
Club FTE Gold Member
That oil pump pick up screen does not look too healthy. Also some times the rocker arm shafts get plugged up. Might want to get the end plugs out and make sure the shaft is clean on the inside,
 
Reply
Old Nov 11, 2024 | 02:46 PM
  #48  
tcanthonyii's Avatar
tcanthonyii
Laughing Gas
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Shutterbug
Liked
Joined: Oct 2022
Posts: 932
Likes: 182
My pickup tube looked like yours. 90+% plugged near as I could tell and I nearly zero oil pressure at startup. I bought a new pickup tube when I did all my bearings/rings etc.
 
Reply
Old Nov 11, 2024 | 04:49 PM
  #49  
xcox's Avatar
xcox
Thread Starter
|
Mountain Pass
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Sep 2024
Posts: 178
Likes: 32
Originally Posted by tcanthonyii
My pickup tube looked like yours. 90+% plugged near as I could tell and I nearly zero oil pressure at startup. I bought a new pickup tube when I did all my bearings/rings etc.
This engine ran 60 psi cold and 15 idle, and about 40 while driving
 
Reply
Old Nov 12, 2024 | 09:56 AM
  #50  
xcox's Avatar
xcox
Thread Starter
|
Mountain Pass
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Sep 2024
Posts: 178
Likes: 32
Looks like I've got lucky. Trusted machine shop near me said block looked good, everything was standard size. Said I can get away with deglazing and honing the cylinders and going back with standard bearings.
 
Reply
Old Nov 12, 2024 | 02:53 PM
  #51  
tcanthonyii's Avatar
tcanthonyii
Laughing Gas
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Shutterbug
Liked
Joined: Oct 2022
Posts: 932
Likes: 182
Originally Posted by xcox
Looks like I've got lucky. Trusted machine shop near me said block looked good, everything was standard size. Said I can get away with deglazing and honing the cylinders and going back with standard bearings.
great news!
 
Reply
Old Nov 12, 2024 | 04:07 PM
  #52  
mterickson's Avatar
mterickson
Fleet Mechanic
10 Year Member
Shutterbug
Community Builder
Liked
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 1,661
Likes: 1,062
From: Montana
That's great news, glad you lucked out. Certainly saves some money. Now you're going to find out how much fun it is to clean parts that you can reuse such as pistons. Be prepared to spend at least 3x's longer cleaning stuff than you think it will take. If you can have your machine shop hot tank the cast iron parts and use a heavy duty washer for the aluminum parts you're reusing it will be worth the investment as far as I am concerned.
 
Reply
Old Nov 12, 2024 | 05:01 PM
  #53  
xcox's Avatar
xcox
Thread Starter
|
Mountain Pass
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Sep 2024
Posts: 178
Likes: 32
Originally Posted by mterickson
That's great news, glad you lucked out. Certainly saves some money. Now you're going to find out how much fun it is to clean parts that you can reuse such as pistons. Be prepared to spend at least 3x's longer cleaning stuff than you think it will take. If you can have your machine shop hot tank the cast iron parts and use a heavy duty washer for the aluminum parts you're reusing it will be worth the investment as far as I am concerned.
Yeah, im having them hot tank the block and ive got a buddy with a parts washer so should be all set. I took the crank to the machine shop too and he said it was good to take back home, just needs cleaned as well. I think it's 80k original miles.
 
Reply
FTE Stories

Ford Trucks for Ford Truck Enthusiasts

story-0

Top 10 Most Expensive Ford Trucks Ever Sold on Bring a Trailer

 Joe Kucinski
story-1

2027 Ford Super Duty Buyer's Guide (Every Model, Engine, & Package)

 Brett Foote
story-2

Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies

 Joe Kucinski
story-3

AEV FXL Super Duty - the Super Duty Raptor Ford Doesn't Make

 Brett Foote
story-4

Lobo Vs Lobo: Proof the F-150 Lobo Should Be Even Lower!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-5

Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home

 Verdad Gallardo
story-6

10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!

 Joe Kucinski
story-7

2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road: Better Than a Raptor R?

 Brett Foote
story-8

2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package First Look: 12 Things You NEED to Know!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-9

10 Most Surprising 2026 Ford Truck Features!

 Joe Kucinski
Old Nov 13, 2024 | 11:57 AM
  #54  
xcox's Avatar
xcox
Thread Starter
|
Mountain Pass
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Sep 2024
Posts: 178
Likes: 32
It's about time I start thinking about a cam, the machine shop said my cam looked good but I didn't keep the lifters in order when I took them out. I've heard / seen the whole cam and lifter debacle on how they can go flat and fail and whatever, so I'm a little wary
 
Reply
Old Nov 13, 2024 | 12:13 PM
  #55  
KubotaOrange76's Avatar
KubotaOrange76
Its Comin Right for us!
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 12,149
Likes: 2,633
From: GA
Is there the equivalent off scott johnson of ford 429/460, tmeyer ford 351m/400 type shop for the ford FE's?
 
Reply
Old Nov 13, 2024 | 12:22 PM
  #56  
mterickson's Avatar
mterickson
Fleet Mechanic
10 Year Member
Shutterbug
Community Builder
Liked
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 1,661
Likes: 1,062
From: Montana
I would be very hesitant to reuse the lifters if they weren't kept in order. I have heard of guys rolling the dice and running them anyway and coming out okay. But that's too risky for me, if that lifter goes bad or cam gets eaten up you'll be pulling things back apart to get all the metal shavings cleaned out of your freshly rebuilt engine.

At a minimum I would at least get new lifters, but since you saved all that money not needing to do machine work perhaps upgrade and get an "rv" cam and lifter kit. A cam around the 260ish advertised duration such as comp cams 268, 260 or 252 with valve lift @ .050 somewhere between .450" and .500". You go any bigger than that you'll run into valve train issues since you do not currently have an adjustable rocker arm setup. Oh, and I'm not recommending for or against comp cams, just using them as an example for what numbers to look for. There are a lot of wide ranging opinions about comp cams and use of flat tappet cams in general.

One thing I will say about Comp cams though to keep things in perspective, when you sell more cams than most other manufactures combined, it stands to reason that they would also have more failures than the other manufactures. If you could actually track the numbers of units sold compared to failures I'm thinking a person would find out the percentage of failures across all manufacturers is fairly close.



 
Reply
Old Nov 13, 2024 | 12:31 PM
  #57  
xcox's Avatar
xcox
Thread Starter
|
Mountain Pass
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Sep 2024
Posts: 178
Likes: 32
Originally Posted by mterickson
I would be very hesitant to reuse the lifters if they weren't kept in order. I have heard of guys rolling the dice and running them anyway and coming out okay. But that's too risky for me, if that lifter goes bad or cam gets eaten up you'll be pulling things back apart to get all the metal shavings cleaned out of your freshly rebuilt engine.

At a minimum I would at least get new lifters, but since you saved all that money not needing to do machine work perhaps upgrade and get an "rv" cam and lifter kit. A cam around the 260ish advertised duration such as comp cams 268, 260 or 252 with valve lift @ .050 somewhere between .450" and .500". You go any bigger than that you'll run into valve train issues since you do not currently have an adjustable rocker arm setup. Oh, and I'm not recommending for or against comp cams, just using them as an example for what numbers to look for. There are a lot of wide ranging opinions about comp cams and use of flat tappet cams in general.

One thing I will say about Comp cams though to keep things in perspective, when you sell more cams than most other manufactures combined, it stands to reason that they would also have more failures than the other manufactures. If you could actually track the numbers of units sold compared to failures I'm thinking a person would find out the percentage of failures across all manufacturers is fairly close.
Okay, so what I have currently is a solid flat tappet correct?
 
Reply
Old Nov 13, 2024 | 12:48 PM
  #58  
mterickson's Avatar
mterickson
Fleet Mechanic
10 Year Member
Shutterbug
Community Builder
Liked
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 1,661
Likes: 1,062
From: Montana
Originally Posted by xcox
Okay, so what I have currently is a solid flat tappet correct?
No, you have a hydraulic flat tappet.
 
Reply
Old Nov 13, 2024 | 01:33 PM
  #59  
xcox's Avatar
xcox
Thread Starter
|
Mountain Pass
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Sep 2024
Posts: 178
Likes: 32
Okay, I was a little bit confused
 
Reply
Old Nov 13, 2024 | 01:40 PM
  #60  
GLR's Avatar
GLR
FTE Legend
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 53,968
Likes: 2,390
From: NY and VA
Club FTE Gold Member
Ditto about replacing cam and lifters. But, with flat lifters/cam make sure to use a zinc additive to help with lubrication. Most of today's oil are more for roller cams. Some use diesel oil. Just for kicks, check the bottom of the lifters to see if they are straight across or a bit concaved.
 
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:07 PM.

story-0
Top 10 Most Expensive Ford Trucks Ever Sold on Bring a Trailer

Slideshow: 10 most expensive Ford trucks ever sold on Bring a Trailer.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-27 16:24:34


VIEW MORE
story-1
2027 Ford Super Duty Buyer's Guide (Every Model, Engine, & Package)

Here's everything that has changed for the latest model year.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-27 16:17:28


VIEW MORE
story-2
Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies

Slideshow: Top 10 Ford truck tragedies.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-18 19:34:33


VIEW MORE
story-3
AEV FXL Super Duty - the Super Duty Raptor Ford Doesn't Make

And it might be even better than that.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-18 19:26:42


VIEW MORE
story-4
Lobo Vs Lobo: Proof the F-150 Lobo Should Be Even Lower!

Slideshow: Does lowering an F-150 Lobo RUIN the ride quality?

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-05-18 19:20:37


VIEW MORE
story-5
Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home

Slideshow: Ford's bizarre fishing-themed Explorer concept has resurfaced after spending decades largely forgotten.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-12 18:07:46


VIEW MORE
story-6
10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!

Slideshow: The 10 best Ford truck engines we miss the most.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-12 13:09:47


VIEW MORE
story-7
2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road: Better Than a Raptor R?

Slideshow: first look at the 810 hp 2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road!

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-12 12:50:07


VIEW MORE
story-8
2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package First Look: 12 Things You NEED to Know!

Slideshow: Everything You Need to Know about the 2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package!

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-05-07 17:51:06


VIEW MORE
story-9
10 Most Surprising 2026 Ford Truck Features!

Slideshow: 10 most surprising Ford truck options/features in 2026.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-05 11:17:22


VIEW MORE