Hemi!!!!!! READ THIS
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ok, im sorry, i over did it. and you were right it don't get more gas mileage, i was listening to my friend and he was rong. i never wanted to start all that, and i know this is thread is all about speed, and thats what i was arguing, i said i dont care how fast they go through the quarter mile, i care about outlasting oneanother, thats arguing speed. And to Schmids4.9l it's only a biased opinion if you dont know that it's true, and in reacent studies on avreage a chevy truck will outlast a ford, and it don't matter what you see cuz your only seeing a small part of it. and agen im sorry for cauzing an uprizing.
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God I'm stupid............will somebody please pull the hook outta my mouth.....GENTLY!!
OK, Chevman, please guide us wandering sheep to these "recent studies" that show Chevys outlast Fords............so that we all can go to the dark side before major breakage occurs. Or are these studies from your friend, also???
I have seen posters like this before and they've ended up being students that were seeing what kind of reaction they could get from stirring a hornet's nest.......Sorta wondering about this one?????
OK, Chevman, please guide us wandering sheep to these "recent studies" that show Chevys outlast Fords............so that we all can go to the dark side before major breakage occurs. Or are these studies from your friend, also???
I have seen posters like this before and they've ended up being students that were seeing what kind of reaction they could get from stirring a hornet's nest.......Sorta wondering about this one?????
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Originally Posted by CHEVYMAN101
And to Schmids4.9l it's only a biased opinion if you dont know that it's true, and in reacent studies on avreage a chevy truck will outlast a ford, and it don't matter what you see cuz your only seeing a small part of it.
"in our recent studies, chevy trucks outlast fords...." Like I said O-p-i-n-i-o-n. And you dont know that it's true, but you can lead yourself to beleive it is true. lol this is getting funny
But no, seriously, i want to see these recent studies and which chevy commercial they are on!
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Originally Posted by 309Ford
V10 Super Duty faster than a half ton Dodge Hemi? Sorry to break it to ya but no, not in my experience. Even the 2005. Until recently, the V10 was less hp than the Hemi, but more torque. The newest have more HP and torque (20 more HP than the Dodge offering), but not enough to offset the much heavier weight of the Super Duty truck. Hell, it's quite a bit heavier. I'll admit the Ford is slower, but only because it's much heavier.
Hook bumpers and pull. The Ford will come out on top then. Or put the V10 in a half ton and beat the Dodge. 1500 to 2000 lbs. is too much weight to give away to beat the Dodge half ton with a three quarter ton truck. Weight matters a lot. With the Dodge's lighter weight, I was able to get the jump off the line on my cousin's Super Duty (the Dodge is my brother's truck, I wouldn't own one) and able to keep the lead all the way, opening it as the distance increased, since the Hemi's torque peak is way up there (4400 rpm or something like that). The V10 doesn't want to rev as much, since Ford kept the torque peak lower for true truck use, instead of a race toy.
I'm a Ford guy, but you can't give away that much weight in a drag race. Who cares? The Ford is a real truck. Real trucks weigh a lot.
Hook bumpers and pull. The Ford will come out on top then. Or put the V10 in a half ton and beat the Dodge. 1500 to 2000 lbs. is too much weight to give away to beat the Dodge half ton with a three quarter ton truck. Weight matters a lot. With the Dodge's lighter weight, I was able to get the jump off the line on my cousin's Super Duty (the Dodge is my brother's truck, I wouldn't own one) and able to keep the lead all the way, opening it as the distance increased, since the Hemi's torque peak is way up there (4400 rpm or something like that). The V10 doesn't want to rev as much, since Ford kept the torque peak lower for true truck use, instead of a race toy.
I'm a Ford guy, but you can't give away that much weight in a drag race. Who cares? The Ford is a real truck. Real trucks weigh a lot.
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Originally Posted by Schmids4.9l
Recent studies huh!? I bet! I want to see these recent studies, they are prolly in a chevy add in a magazine or a TV commercial "in our recent studies, chevy trucks outlast fords...." Like I said O-p-i-n-i-o-n. And you dont know that it's true, but you can lead yourself to beleive it is true.
lol this is getting funny But no, seriously, i want to see these recent studies and which chevy commercial they are on!
"in our recent studies, chevy trucks outlast fords...." Like I said O-p-i-n-i-o-n. And you dont know that it's true, but you can lead yourself to beleive it is true. lol this is getting funny
But no, seriously, i want to see these recent studies and which chevy commercial they are on!
...priceless...
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Well Nick, I do have experience with V10's....My 2WD CC with 4.30's has been smoked at least twice by regular cab Hemi's.........At the next light I smile and give a 
.
Your weight theory holds no weight............2000 pounds plus is a ton( ) more to get moving.
.Your weight theory holds no weight............2000 pounds plus is a ton(
) more to get moving.
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Originally Posted by DOHCmarauder
Well Nick, I do have experience with V10's....My 2WD CC with 4.30's has been smoked at least twice by regular cab Hemi's.........At the next light I smile and give a .
Your weight theory holds no weight............2000 pounds plus is a ton( ) more to get moving.
.Your weight theory holds no weight............2000 pounds plus is a ton(
) more to get moving.
The SD does not weigh in access of 2000 lbs over the dodge unless the truck is loaded with tools, people etc... I can see a 1500 RAM reg cab, 2 wheel drive truck 'hemi' beating your crew, but anything else, you'll have to provide video footage of to make a believer out of me.
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I concur 100%........in fact it's been mentioned that the V10 should be able to beat a Hemi in a 2500 (think it's in this thread somewhere)
It IS the reg. cabs and the Rumble Bee poseurs that will walk a CC Ford.....there is just too much to get moving.
I should go take a pic of the plate on our Lightning.........it reads HEMITHS.
It IS the reg. cabs and the Rumble Bee poseurs that will walk a CC Ford.....there is just too much to get moving.
I should go take a pic of the plate on our Lightning.........it reads HEMITHS.
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Originally Posted by DOHCmarauder
I should go take a pic of the plate on our Lightning.........it reads HEMITHS.
check out photo 7 in my gallery
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Originally Posted by captchas
thanks for bring back my brain man. i could not for the life of me remember who had that as a plate when i had my tail gate painted with HEMI THIS! wonder if nj will let me have that plate also.
check out photo 7 in my gallery
check out photo 7 in my gallery
Captain, it is with regret that I must inform you the "Hemi This" or ANY variation of said phrase is copy righted by DOHCmarauder.
Since you have admitted violation of the above mentioned copy right, a user fee of $1,000,652 MUST be wired to my account post haste...........Any delay in transfer of moneys due will result in additional attorney fees and court costs.
Just messing with you, enjoy the phrase........a lot of Dodge boys have.
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"the V10 will win everytime, SD VS half-ton...doesn't matter"
Now, here's where Ford patriotism gets in the way of common sense and physics.
NickFordMan, I'm afraid weight DOES matter, and SD vs. Dodge half ton matters, since the difference between the two is a lot more weight on the Ford. The increase in torque for the V10 you mention also does not consider weight in your comparsion. More torque can get the truck off the line quicker-IF weight is the same. It most definitely is not. Torque and HP per lb. favor the lighter Dodge. Please show me the math where the V10 Super Duty comes off better per lb. than the Dodge. You cannot do so.
When the Ford V10 gets substantially more horsepower, it will be able to beat the Dodge. It's gonna need around 100+ more Hp than it currently has, though.
The V10 guys are justly proud of their motors, but some of their claims for speed moving heavy trucks with stock motors are quite inflated.
Doesn't make it any less capable, just not a drag racer. Hell, really, no pickup currently produced is. Except maybe for Lightnings and SRT10's.
Now, here's where Ford patriotism gets in the way of common sense and physics.
NickFordMan, I'm afraid weight DOES matter, and SD vs. Dodge half ton matters, since the difference between the two is a lot more weight on the Ford. The increase in torque for the V10 you mention also does not consider weight in your comparsion. More torque can get the truck off the line quicker-IF weight is the same. It most definitely is not. Torque and HP per lb. favor the lighter Dodge. Please show me the math where the V10 Super Duty comes off better per lb. than the Dodge. You cannot do so.
When the Ford V10 gets substantially more horsepower, it will be able to beat the Dodge. It's gonna need around 100+ more Hp than it currently has, though.
The V10 guys are justly proud of their motors, but some of their claims for speed moving heavy trucks with stock motors are quite inflated.
Doesn't make it any less capable, just not a drag racer. Hell, really, no pickup currently produced is. Except maybe for Lightnings and SRT10's.
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Hemi This!
Not one to debate on forums much but comparing a super heavy superduty v10 against a 1500 dodge hemi is like comparing the 1500 dodge hemi to John Force's FUNNY car!
How about checking a road test thats apples to apples!
A Road Test against the new Ford V10 and a lowly hemi.
The ford wins by 5 yes FIVE truck lengths but its a hemi so it must be faster?
Add a chevy to the mix and it gets a royal spanking too!
My 96 Ranger SuperCab Stepside 5 spd (bought new) spanks any "new" hemi in sight & thats in the hot rod car version! Put a 1500 hemi along side of me and I am waiting for second light while he is trying to get away from first! Last guy I raced (when he finally caught up at 3rd light) says whatever you got in that I NEED ONE!
Told him it came stock with a TWIN PLUG 4cylinder. Made sure he new about the TWIN PLUG version. (of course he was clueless but will now NEVER forget)
Think he went straight to Ford Dealer!
oops! almost forgot the link!
http://www.truckworld.com/Truck-Test...superduty.html
Did I mention the new 3v 5.4 will tow 12,300lbs?
try that with a hemi..
the pot was already stirred I just picked up the spoon.
be back after a little more hemi hunting.
How about checking a road test thats apples to apples!
A Road Test against the new Ford V10 and a lowly hemi.
The ford wins by 5 yes FIVE truck lengths but its a hemi so it must be faster?
Add a chevy to the mix and it gets a royal spanking too!
My 96 Ranger SuperCab Stepside 5 spd (bought new) spanks any "new" hemi in sight & thats in the hot rod car version! Put a 1500 hemi along side of me and I am waiting for second light while he is trying to get away from first! Last guy I raced (when he finally caught up at 3rd light) says whatever you got in that I NEED ONE!
Told him it came stock with a TWIN PLUG 4cylinder. Made sure he new about the TWIN PLUG version. (of course he was clueless but will now NEVER forget)
Think he went straight to Ford Dealer!
oops! almost forgot the link!
http://www.truckworld.com/Truck-Test...superduty.html
Did I mention the new 3v 5.4 will tow 12,300lbs?
try that with a hemi..
the pot was already stirred I just picked up the spoon.
be back after a little more hemi hunting.
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I am not getting into the argument of which one of these trucks are faster. I have not driven anyone of these trucks. A truck is supposed to pull heavy loads not go fast. If you want fast get a sportscar. Chevyman I got a website for you to check out. It will tell you all about chevrolets longevity. Checkout pistonslap.com.
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Originally Posted by 309Ford
"the V10 will win everytime, SD VS half-ton...doesn't matter"
Now, here's where Ford patriotism gets in the way of common sense and physics.
NickFordMan, I'm afraid weight DOES matter, and SD vs. Dodge half ton matters, since the difference between the two is a lot more weight on the Ford. The increase in torque for the V10 you mention also does not consider weight in your comparsion. More torque can get the truck off the line quicker-IF weight is the same. It most definitely is not. Torque and HP per lb. favor the lighter Dodge. Please show me the math where the V10 Super Duty comes off better per lb. than the Dodge. You cannot do so.
When the Ford V10 gets substantially more horsepower, it will be able to beat the Dodge. It's gonna need around 100+ more Hp than it currently has, though.
The V10 guys are justly proud of their motors, but some of their claims for speed moving heavy trucks with stock motors are quite inflated.
Doesn't make it any less capable, just not a drag racer. Hell, really, no pickup currently produced is. Except maybe for Lightnings and SRT10's.
Now, here's where Ford patriotism gets in the way of common sense and physics.
NickFordMan, I'm afraid weight DOES matter, and SD vs. Dodge half ton matters, since the difference between the two is a lot more weight on the Ford. The increase in torque for the V10 you mention also does not consider weight in your comparsion. More torque can get the truck off the line quicker-IF weight is the same. It most definitely is not. Torque and HP per lb. favor the lighter Dodge. Please show me the math where the V10 Super Duty comes off better per lb. than the Dodge. You cannot do so.
When the Ford V10 gets substantially more horsepower, it will be able to beat the Dodge. It's gonna need around 100+ more Hp than it currently has, though.
The V10 guys are justly proud of their motors, but some of their claims for speed moving heavy trucks with stock motors are quite inflated.
Doesn't make it any less capable, just not a drag racer. Hell, really, no pickup currently produced is. Except maybe for Lightnings and SRT10's.
1500 RAM reg cab long box 4x4 with the 'hemi' VS F-250 (or 350) SD V10 4x4 with the 4.30 gear set, reg cab long box. Both are '05's.
So...V10-362hp@4750RPM 457 ft/lbs of torque@3250RPM
'hemi'-345@5400RPM 375 ft/lbs of torque@ 4200RPM
Unsure of the weight of each truck, but I'm willing to bet it's close...if anyone can prove this whole assumption wrong, then I will stick my foot in my mouth.
The Ford makes more power, and torque, a LOT sooner, with a lower gear set, and being that I am assuming the weight of these two trucks are *somewhat* comparable, the V10 powered Ford will walk away from the 'hemi'.
Now, say we have the same config. dodge, but a CC Ford instead, then I am willing to agree to a 'hemi' victory.
I do not own a V10, infact, I'm the proud owner of a '96 PSD. It just struck me as being odd that some of you seem to think the V10 will lose to the 'hemi' everytime.