And in comparably equipped trucks, Nissan Titans and Armadas are showing Dodge Hemi's their tail lights on a regular basis. The only Hemi that can regularly beat them is the very light two door 4x2 and then only by a hair, even though it is several hundred pounds lighter.

My 4x4 Armada weighs 5640 lbs. empty. With me, a little fuel and my usual junk on board it runs 5900 to 6000 lbs. Yet it regularly runs 15.3 second quarters and in very cool, low humidity weather has run 14.9.

As stated here, these are not stinking fast times. Any Lightning will stomp it.

But with its "mere" 305 horses and 385 lbs. of torque, it should not be showing its tail to the vaunted "Hemi", but it does. It's not that I'm that fast. I'm not. The Hemi is simply over-rated.

 

V10 Super Duty faster than a half ton Dodge Hemi? Sorry to break it to ya but no, not in my experience. Even the 2005. Until recently, the V10 was less hp than the Hemi, but more torque. The newest have more HP and torque (20 more HP than the Dodge offering), but not enough to offset the much heavier weight of the Super Duty truck. Hell, it's quite a bit heavier. I'll admit the Ford is slower, but only because it's much heavier.

Hook bumpers and pull. The Ford will come out on top then. Or put the V10 in a half ton and beat the Dodge. 1500 to 2000 lbs. is too much weight to give away to beat the Dodge half ton with a three quarter ton truck. Weight matters a lot. With the Dodge's lighter weight, I was able to get the jump off the line on my cousin's Super Duty (the Dodge is my brother's truck, I wouldn't own one) and able to keep the lead all the way, opening it as the distance increased, since the Hemi's torque peak is way up there (4400 rpm or something like that). The V10 doesn't want to rev as much, since Ford kept the torque peak lower for true truck use, instead of a race toy.

I'm a Ford guy, but you can't give away that much weight in a drag race. Who cares? The Ford is a real truck. Real trucks weigh a lot.

 

The Hemi is the truck to beat. Go to any GM, Ford, Toyota or Nissan forums and you will find various "kill" threads. In every case they share one thing in common - the Hemi "kill"s are the ones which they are all most proud of. This shows it to be the truck/engine combo to be beat. Real hemi or not, it is a fast truck.

Far too many exaggerated claims to be taken seriously. No stock Ford truck (sans lightning of course,) is going to take out the Hemi in a drag. The 5.4 has'int got enough nuts, and the V10 comes in a truck which weighs too much. Put a V10 in
an F150 - and now your talkin.

The Nissan Titan comes closest. With equally skilled drivers the Nissan will pull on a Hemi out of the hole everytime, but the hemi will still win by the quarter.

 

There are too many obvious statements being made here. A lightning will beat a Hemi, thats obvious! Thats like a Corvette racing a Honda. Its apples and oranges, the lightning is SUPER CHARGED, I'd only hope it would beat a Hemi!

I think they should have supercharged the "hemi", then put it in a rumble-bee, in a regular cab/short bed, just something to give the lightning some competition. Same for the chevy ss, put a supercharger on it, in a reg. cab.short bed, to give the lightning some competition.

 

When you run four door Titans against four door Hemi Rams, the Ram weight advantage disappears and it loses - every time, unless the driver does not know what he is doing. This tells me that from a power to weight standpoint, either the Hemi does not have its advertized horsepower or the Titan is underrated.

 

Given that the Titan is significantly faster than the F150 with the same HP rating, as well as being faster than the Dodge (which is faster than the Ford), leads me to believe the Titan is underrated.

 

Not true Armada. Go to Titantalk and see for yourself there. I'm not too inclined to believe very many "kill" stories on any forums - some are obvious wins against over matched vehicles, but then there are the wildly unbelievable claims made - like a Titan burning up a Z06 from a rolling 30 mph start all the way till about 103 mph on the interstate.

Anyway, there are a few I am inclined to believe - like the one of two respectable gentlemen who have already run this race. Both have crew cab configuration trucks. Both have only very minor modification done to their trucks. Both have reported the results to their respectively favorite truck forums. The result? The hemi won - twice in a row. No excuses made. No objections. Both men acted like real winners IMO. There goes your statement about the hemi losing "everytime" without having a weight advantage - the Dodge actually weighs about two hundred pounds more than the Titan does in the crew configuration.

Will the Dodge win everytime? Probably not. Driver skill is a great factor. None the less, in this circumstance driver skill was relatively equal (no pro vs. a weekender) and it was good enough to win this race twice in a row - even though the Titan pulled it from the hole both times.

Regardless of what the mags or manufacturer's would say - both a Nissan owner and Dodge owner have verified these real world results - so the result is at least true of these two particular representative trucks.

I have nothing against the Titan. It's not even close to what I would ever consider buying. My brother has one, and it is wickedly fast. But so is the Hemi. The Nissan
has the advantage of having lower gears in the transmission. Gears make a much
more noticable difference in acceleration from a dead stop than engine HP/torque
does.

We had an old 91 C1500 with 4 speed manual and 4.3L 150HP/230TQ. A friend has essentially same truck but a 97 with the newer 4.3L 195HP/260TQ and 5 speed manual.
Our truck had 4.10's while his has 3.08's - we had more pulling power in second (3.58 ratio) than he has in first (4.01).

 

I am a member of Titantalk and post pretty regularly there too. You can go there and see where I have posted dyno info and complete 60 ft.,0-60, 1/8 mile, and quarter mile times for my 5900 pound Armada.

If there is a completely stock Dodge Durango running 14.8-14.9's please let me know.

Truck World Magazine compared the Ram, Titan, Silverado and F-150 1/2 tons last year. They did the testing on my home strip, Gulfport Dragway. The Ram did not win in side-by-side racing. The Titan did. So did it in pulling a heavy boat.

Again, I have not encountered any four door Dodge Rams beating comparably equipped Titans.

Now, there may be a few guys crowing about this "kill" or that "kill" on the sites. I want to see time slips and published side-by-side comparos.

Can you direct me to a comparison test in any reputable magazine where a 4 door Ram Hemi beat a comparable Titan? I may be mistaken and learn something new every day.

Now if you mod the trucks, the Hemi is doing better, as there are more aftermarket parts for the Hemi presently. We don't even have full length headers yet. They will come.

BTW do you have personal experience with either truck and do you have any time slips, dyno runs or G-Tech data to share?

 

You boys have obviously no experience with the V10 with your uninformed statements!!! If I can beat a hemi in a CC SB 4x4 that weighs over 7k without me in it and with 3.73s and 33" tires I'm positive the 3v would have no problem and can garentee that a reg cab reg box 2wd V10 is probably one of the quickest stock non performance based vehicles around. Of course a lighting or most any sport truck will beat it but thats not the point here. were talking about two trucks designed to work and not race, but were gonna race them anyways. If you boys want to fool yourselfs into thinking the hemi is quicker I think just about any one of the guys in the V10 forum would race for pick slips, they'd then own a ford and dodge!!! Lastly who ever made the statement about the V10 not wanting to rev better take a good look at modular motors because you have no clue. The V10 will rev very quick due to the inherent design of an OHC motor. heck it's nothin for me to see 4000-4500 rpms when towing up hills and the V10 has no gripes about it at all. I'm not sure where red line is but I do know that its over 1000 rpm higher than where the computer cuts off fuel (which I beleive is around 5000-5200 rpms). Lets think about this, the V10 has a redline of over 6k but doesn't like to rev, what are you guys smokin cause its gotta be some good stuff.

One of the V10 boys that hangs around here hassome where between 7-11 hash marks, one for each hemi that he's had to show who the man really is.

I'll say it again, pink slips any time guys, I have no problem selling a hemi dodge to help pay off my house.

 

I don't know whether or not my '03 V10 could out-accelerate a 1/2 ton Dodge Ram Hemi-that extra 2000lbs my F250 weighs over a Ram 1500 is tough to overcome and I've never really tried. That's sort of comparing apples to oranges, though.

But comparing apples to apples, I know my V10 F250 can dust a 3/4 or 1 ton Ram Hemi. I've done it before and most of the time guys with Ram 2500/3500 Hemis don't even try it.

Got into a pissing contest a few months ago on the highway towing a 6500lb trailer with a 4wd Ram 2500 Hemi towing 3 atvs on an open trailer. He tailgated me for miles and then tried to pass me going up a long highway grade I walked off from him so easily it was a joke. The guy just had to wait for a hill to pass-guess he wanted to show off that Hemi power!!

If I was buying a HD Ram I wouldn't even consider a Hemi. Dodge has effectievly abandoned the HD gas work engine market. They have the Viper V10 but it's not really a tow/work engine.

 

5900lbs?....The Armada must be considerably heavier than the Titan. My bro's crew cab LE or XE (whichever is the premium pkg) 2wd tips the scales at just over 5200lbs -with him in it.

These guy's did'int have extensive mods that I can remember. Certainly nothing like headers, gears, or chips. I think the Titan guy had a K&N intake and filter, while the Hemi guy had a comparable home made intake contraption. Both had exhaust.

Nothing but seat of the pants going for me - but that's a whole lot more than some people who debate topics like these only using manufacturer's ratings, dynographs, and solo time slips. Look at the poster who started this topic - he had to ride in one to see the experience for himself - and ended up with much more than he had expected going in.

I see guys in the 2005 F150 forum all the time boasting of how they can beat out a Titan "once their trucks break in and come to life". Baloney. My brother's truck feels like it has gained 40 horse since it's been broken in. Our friends 04 F150 5.4L feels
the same to me now as it did the day he brought it home. They've raced a few times and every time they do our bud gets his **** handed to him worse than the time before. There's no point in it anymore.

I can't give these guys anymore data then I can give you - I really don't care enough to go surfing the net to support my view. The Titan is strong, but every Hemi Dodge I've driven (had one for a whole day) simply feels much stronger in the top end. Have you driven any Hemi Rams? Have you even driven a Titan? The Titan and Armada are not the same vehicle you know - for one, the Titan has a solid rear axle.

The result reported by those two owners is exactly what I would expect given my experiences. Up to an 8th mile or so the Titan has it. 0-60 the Titan has it. Off the line and out the hole the Titan has it. To the quarter mile or from a rolling start - my money's on the Hemi.

 

And no SLE - I do not for a minute believe that a 3 valve V10 equipt SD will dust a Hemi 1500. Super Duty crew vs 1500 hemi quad, or 2wd SD reg cab with 8 foot bed vs 2wd Ram 1500 reg cab 8 ft bed. I even doubt a 2wd reg cab SD V10 could hold it's own against a quad cab 4x4 1500 hemi.

I've never driven a 3 valve - I hav'ent even seen one yet that I'm aware of. Seeing is believing. There are guys who go around bragging on their 275/310HP 2 valve V10's like these trucks are the fastest things out there. They are slow. Unless I see some huge improvements in the 3 valve, or we're talking moderately modded trucks, I don't see the V10 whipping on a hemi - not in a SD. And yes, the V10 will rev high - towing 10k up a 6% grade it has to. You can make a tractor rev high too - that dosent mean your going to get anywhere with it in a hurry.

 

SLE, you're admitting you have 2,000 lbs on a Hemi half ton Dodge (around 4600 empty), yet somehow you're faster? How is this possible with less horsepower? Or even 20 more horsepower?

I stand corrected. 1500 extra pounds is a lot heavier. 2000 lbs. is a whole lot heavier. You'll need about 490-500 horse or so to have the same power/weight ratio as the Dodge. Last I checked a V10's factory rating wasn't anywhere near that high.

Please quote the torque peak rpm of the newest version of the V10 Ford. If you please. I believe you'll find it's below the hemi. As currently set up by the factory, the hemi will out rev your V10.

 

#1........there is no more Lightning so the competition point is moot.

#2........Dodge has the SRT-10 which was a few ticks quicker than the last Lightning but the L is waaaay easier to mod.


#3.......In a rare show of not wanting to debate, I actually stay away from the V-10 forum because I don't believe my 310 HP V10 CC can stay with a HEMI in a 1/2 ton..............I KNOW I got 3 outta my 4 doors blown off by a Titan. Titans also sound bitchen' I might add.

When test driving a new 3v V10 I got about 4 MPH more over an overpass bridge that I measure all my vehicle on. I still don't think that's enough to take on the lighter 1/2 tons......IMHO!!!

 

Ummmm, you can check too........I believe the Hemi is around 360-375 feet pounds of torque, the V10 is around 450 pounds.(these are off the top of my head)


Still agree about the large weight difference.