2020 revealed!
Cargo Master
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Who thinks one hates a metal vehicle, unless there are mental issues at work.
Anger issues taking over? Inferiority complex when you see door badges?I own several gas trucks. About to buy a new Navigator for my wife..
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Cargo Master
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Lots of anger over a machine John.
Its not about fuel type my friend....
Personally, no chance I buy gas power right now, and that’s because something with TWICE the power is available.
Let me clear this up for you, TWICE the power. Why on Earth would I want to settle for half?
I couldn’t care less what fuel type drives it, as long as the 1,000 is there. It could be nuclear for all I care..
If it were gasoline fuel based, I wouldn’t care less, but in 2020, it’s diesel based.
We will all be driving something radically different in 10+ years. It will suck for us old schoolers to drive a silent and soulless machine, but in all reality, that is what is most likely coming down the road..
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BS. That battle cry is over, and is some sort of excuse IMO, especially under this current administration..
Bottom line? Technology always marches forward, and electronic pioneers are developing and building the transportation of the future.
With the testing of electronic semis carrying freight cross country, I don’t think anything is out of the electronic loop, and especially something as small as our trucks. .
Look around for the signs.. Walmart is currently building charging stations all over the country, and removing the fuel islands.
To be perfectly honest, building electronic transportation and putting all of the rich billionaire oil princes of the Middle East out on the street? I’m all for it.
Bottom line? Technology always marches forward, and electronic pioneers are developing and building the transportation of the future.
With the testing of electronic semis carrying freight cross country, I don’t think anything is out of the electronic loop, and especially something as small as our trucks. .
Look around for the signs.. Walmart is currently building charging stations all over the country, and removing the fuel islands.
To be perfectly honest, building electronic transportation and putting all of the rich billionaire oil princes of the Middle East out on the street? I’m all for it.
Tech marches forward! George I spent most of my Engineering career in R&D, trust me I have marched forward!
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Simple common sense message, but I am not being clear.
To clarify, I think most will agree that today’s power is simply a bridge to electronic. As our technology presents today, we are definitely pointed toward electric, but it isn’t happening widespread for another decade. So in between, what will bridge? Elections may determine that for us, and will depend on who controls our emission laws. It they are super tight, I think diesel presents a cleaner burning but more expensive and complicated solution. If not, I see gasoline as a cheaper and easier method, but we are all going to end up at electronic power.
Tuned
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The most effective bridge to full-electric would be a "diesel locomotive" powertrain, with a diesel-powered generator sending electricity to traction motors at each wheel. Should have happened in Class 8 years ago. The right setup could easily run coast-to-coast on the fly at full GCWR.
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So its twice the power? What if you don't need twice the power? Some folks need twice the power and some don't. Some just want all the power they can get and that's fine. But for those who neither need or want it, paying almost $9K more up front just isn't worth it. I hosted a family from Germany a few years back. Father rented a mid-size sedan. He popped the hood like guys often do to look at the engine. Right on top was a badge; 3.6L. He shook his head and said "what a waste for a car this size". He was right. We Americans have been raised on the notion that the more power the better. I'm not settling when I choose the gas engine. I'm matching the engine to my needs.
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So its twice the power? What if you don't need twice the power? Some folks need twice the power and some don't. Some just want all the power they can get and that's fine. But for those who neither need or want it, paying almost $9K more up front just isn't worth it. I hosted a family from Germany a few years back. Father rented a mid-size sedan. He popped the hood like guys often do to look at the engine. Right on top was a badge; 3.6L. He shook his head and said "what a waste for a car this size". He was right. We Americans have been raised on the notion that the more power the better. I'm not settling when I choose the gas engine. I'm matching the engine to my needs.
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The great thing about America is that we have the choice, at least for now. Someone like yourself can purchase a vehicle strictly based on needs at the time, while someone else can purchase based on wanting the most power they can get, regardless of need. It might just be for the occasional merge onto the freeway, passing a slower car with ease, what ever it might be it is their money and their choice. Your money your choice.
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Interesting. What R&D sector did you work in?
Simple common sense message, but I am not being clear.
To clarify, I think most will agree that today’s power is simply a bridge to electronic. As our technology presents today, we are definitely pointed toward electric, but it isn’t happening widespread for another decade. So in between, what will bridge? Elections may determine that for us, and will depend on who controls our emission laws. It they are super tight, I think diesel presents a cleaner burning but more expensive and complicated solution. If not, I see gasoline as a cheaper and easier method, but we are all going to end up at electronic power.
Simple common sense message, but I am not being clear.
To clarify, I think most will agree that today’s power is simply a bridge to electronic. As our technology presents today, we are definitely pointed toward electric, but it isn’t happening widespread for another decade. So in between, what will bridge? Elections may determine that for us, and will depend on who controls our emission laws. It they are super tight, I think diesel presents a cleaner burning but more expensive and complicated solution. If not, I see gasoline as a cheaper and easier method, but we are all going to end up at electronic power.
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Cargo Master
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So its twice the power? What if you don't need twice the power? Some folks need twice the power and some don't. Some just want all the power they can get and that's fine. But for those who neither need or want it, paying almost $9K more up front just isn't worth it. I hosted a family from Germany a few years back. Father rented a mid-size sedan. He popped the hood like guys often do to look at the engine. Right on top was a badge; 3.6L. He shook his head and said "what a waste for a car this size". He was right. We Americans have been raised on the notion that the more power the better. I'm not settling when I choose the gas engine. I'm matching the engine to my needs.
Top shelf Whiskey is top shelf for a reason, and it usually costs twice as much.
Ford is building powerful trucks for others like me, and that makes us VERY happy. It’s not for everyone, I get it.. But it seems the majority, like over 60% feel it is..
With all due respect, I guess there are people out there who wish they had half of the power. Half of the power in a boat, snowmobile, car, motorcycle..and yes, truck....
Personally, in all of my years, I’ve never met one. Trying to rationalize it? That’s where this thread has it’s honesty issues.
I understand for your friend from Germany, and his distaste for extravagance. It may be the European take on the subject, but I’m a PROUD American who couldn’t care less what someone from Europe may feel, and we ALL enjoy the excess ‘Merica can dish out. It seems the National mindset across the pond is more minimal, and that’s fine, but to say “what a waste”? Right... Drop a winning lottery ticket on him, and watch what he does with it. I’m sure the first thing would be extremely American-ish....
I honestly don’t care what anyone else buys, and it’s none of my business. I simply offer an opinion, and my opinion, and others who feel the same should carry the same respect as others.
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Diesels burn clean, but are expensive. It will matter more about future world technology and policy might dictate. With electric technology marching forward in all forms of transportation, we may see the end of all internal combustion engines completely in a few short years.
Not only is the battery tech not there for widespread adoption by anything other than small cars, our national power grid couldn't come close to powering a fleet of vehicles comprised of 25% electric cars, let alone 50% or 80%. That's a much harder obstacle to overcome than the battery chemistry.
https://www.citylab.com/transportati...c-cars/577507/
Quickest fix would be gen 4 nuclear power plants. None are planned, and only 2 nuclear reactors are currently being built in Georgia with no more planned nationwide.
The electric "utopia" will come only when it has to...when ALL hydrocarbons are sucked from the ground worldwide.
Cargo Master
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It won't be a few short DECADES.
Not only is the battery tech not there for widespread adoption by anything other than small cars, our national power grid couldn't come close to powering a fleet of vehicles comprised of 25% electric cars, let alone 50% or 80%. That's a much harder obstacle to overcome than the battery chemistry.
https://www.citylab.com/transportati...c-cars/577507/
Quickest fix would be gen 4 nuclear power plants. None are planned, and only 2 nuclear reactors are currently being built in Georgia with no more planned nationwide.
The electric "utopia" will come only when it has to...when ALL hydrocarbons are sucked from the ground worldwide.
Not only is the battery tech not there for widespread adoption by anything other than small cars, our national power grid couldn't come close to powering a fleet of vehicles comprised of 25% electric cars, let alone 50% or 80%. That's a much harder obstacle to overcome than the battery chemistry.
https://www.citylab.com/transportati...c-cars/577507/
Quickest fix would be gen 4 nuclear power plants. None are planned, and only 2 nuclear reactors are currently being built in Georgia with no more planned nationwide.
The electric "utopia" will come only when it has to...when ALL hydrocarbons are sucked from the ground worldwide.
I would think they see it differently