2020 revealed!
Lead Driver
Joined: Sep 2006
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From: Cartersville, Ga
Well, disappointingly no 6.7 numbers today... Wondering now if they’re saving the 6.7 numbers for the Texas State Fair... I think they figure waiting on the power numbers of the 6.7 will have no effect on orders in 2 weeks. Those of us ordering the diesel are going to order the diesel regardless of whether it’s 1005lb ft or 1015lb ft. Also, a little disappointed in the power numbers of the 7.3. 430hp, 475 torque at 4000rpm. It does have a decent torque curve for a gas engine though with 400 torque coming in at 1500rpm...
Could be still trying to get it EPA complaint. Had to fight up to the 11th hour with the 6.7s in the 2017s to get the numbers on em and be compliant.
Hotshot
Joined: Jul 2013
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Well, disappointingly no 6.7 numbers today... Wondering now if they’re saving the 6.7 numbers for the Texas State Fair... I think they figure waiting on the power numbers of the 6.7 will have no effect on orders in 2 weeks. Those of us ordering the diesel are going to order the diesel regardless of whether it’s 1005lb ft or 1015lb ft. Also, a little disappointed in the power numbers of the 7.3. 430hp, 475 torque at 4000rpm. It does have a decent torque curve for a gas engine though with 400 torque coming in at 1500rpm...
you will get good low rpm power and torque but you are not going to be able to Sustain the hp/tq to rpm ratio as you pass the push rod performance barrier which normally is 3500 to 4000. Pushing beyond that will accelerate wear and bend rods.
the first thought I had when I heard that the 7.3 was a push rod gas motor was that some back yard joe is going to convert that thing to run diesel.
More Turbo
Joined: Jul 2016
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Now the only thing holding me up is the Ford 10 speed.
A XLT 450 with the options I want runs about the same as a 350 King Ranch gas, so me being underwhelmed with the 7.3 numbers I think I'll take the 450's better turning radius and other benefits (beefier parts).
Yeah those are 2 drastically different trucks but it was based on what I could get a 450 XLT loaded for. It has everything I decided I wasn't going without, so just shopped a similar gas truck and decided since I was already willing to pay that much I might as well spend the same amount and go over the top on the comfort items.
And call me weird but the one thing that still attracts me to the XL and XLT is the manual transfer case. I know the electronic ones are good and problems are few and far between, there is just something about being able to pull that lever and lock in the hubs.
A XLT 450 with the options I want runs about the same as a 350 King Ranch gas, so me being underwhelmed with the 7.3 numbers I think I'll take the 450's better turning radius and other benefits (beefier parts).
Yeah those are 2 drastically different trucks but it was based on what I could get a 450 XLT loaded for. It has everything I decided I wasn't going without, so just shopped a similar gas truck and decided since I was already willing to pay that much I might as well spend the same amount and go over the top on the comfort items.
And call me weird but the one thing that still attracts me to the XL and XLT is the manual transfer case. I know the electronic ones are good and problems are few and far between, there is just something about being able to pull that lever and lock in the hubs.
Cargo Master
Joined: Feb 2004
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From: N. Illinois
HONEY?
HELP!!!!!!.....”
More Turbo
Joined: Jun 2018
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From: Nevada
I saw it again today. I’m telling you, it just says “gotta little mangled foil here, an old A/C vent grille from the apartment here, a couple lights from the kids go-cart project gone bad... aaaaaannnndddd... a couple of stick-on mirrors. There. GOD IN HEAVEN! WHAT DID I CREATE?
HONEY?
HELP!!!!!!.....”
HONEY?
HELP!!!!!!.....”
Yes, ugly they are but ........GM’s SRW HD trucks have greater GVWR and heavier frames. Will Ford improve for 2020?
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Yes I know hd vs ld. Not direct comparo.
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Joined: Jul 2016
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From: California
Do any of you know if I need to order the entire Trailer camera and TPMS kit again for my new 2020 F450 Limited.? I already Have the kit installer on my RV from my 2017 F350 and I'm afraid if I don't order the kit,that the won't be prepped for it. The kit was around $800. I'm thinking I should just order it to be safe then sell it with my 2017 F350 Platinum DRW white.
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Do any of you know if I need to order the entire Trailer camera and TPMS kit again for my new 2020 F450 Limited.? I already Have the kit installer on my RV from my 2017 F350 and I'm afraid if I don't order the kit,that the won't be prepped for it. The kit was around $800. I'm thinking I should just order it to be safe then sell it with my 2017 F350 Platinum DRW white.
Mountain Pass
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It’s a gasoline based engine, it has compression limitations, and for low RPM, or any RPM, The torque numbers are going to be less than half of the diesel.
It’s a great alternative for fleet buyers looking for simplicity, and those looking for a cheap power plant.they will sell a lot of them, just not to me.
Really not and different than the numbers than what’s in my wife’s Yukon Denali. Runs great by itself, and can tow light loads in impressive fashion, but not even in the same galaxy as a diesel.
As someone else put it, it’s like ordering a Mustang with a V-6.
It’s a great alternative for fleet buyers looking for simplicity, and those looking for a cheap power plant.they will sell a lot of them, just not to me.
Really not and different than the numbers than what’s in my wife’s Yukon Denali. Runs great by itself, and can tow light loads in impressive fashion, but not even in the same galaxy as a diesel.
As someone else put it, it’s like ordering a Mustang with a V-6.
The fact is, it's not.
The power is low compared to a TURBO diesel.
A N/A diesel is an absolute dog CID to CID (if there are any even available any longer)
Granted, the PSD is still the absolute beast in a Super Duty......but not because it's a diesel alone.
And while I loved and miss my '12 PSD, I do not miss the maintenance and having to hold my breath once the warranty expired.
Junior User
Joined: Jul 2016
Posts: 98
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From: California
You won't get your money back out of the new kit you bought if it turns out to be the same as what you have. If I were in your shoes, I'd make the salesman EARN his commission, and the selling dealer EARN their profit on a $100,000.00 2020 F-450 LIMITED, by having them do the research for you, before you place your order, while you still have the power to find another dealer who WILL make the phone call to Ford for you.
I deal with a awesome small Ford dealer that make me feel like family. My Salesman is also the owner and the finance man. No BS no back and forth, I love it. Best auto buying experience ever hands down !!!! You actually leave there felling good about everything. Their service department is the same way.