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Old Aug 31, 2014 | 03:10 PM
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Yes. As we've discussed, it isn't possible to be ready for that. We think we are, but when it happens we aren't. My prayers are with you.
 
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Old Aug 31, 2014 | 10:43 PM
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Sorry to hear mate, make sure you look after yourself and your family by ensuring you keep up quality meals and hydration. It's all to easy to forget or ignore while under distress.
 
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Old Sep 1, 2014 | 11:14 AM
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Thanks guys. It came as a bit of shock, and I'm still trying to work thru it.
 
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Old Sep 1, 2014 | 07:59 PM
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Sorry to hear this, Paul. All the best.
 
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Old Sep 4, 2014 | 08:51 PM
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My son was off work today, so he went to pick up the roll of aluminum tubing I ordered for the return fuel line.
This weekend is supposed to be quite a bit cooler than the last few have been, so I hope to move the truck into the shop and get some progress back underway.
Shouldn't be too much of a task to drop the tank, drain out the rest of the gas, and clean it out. Then mod the sender to accept a return line, and open up the filler neck to accept a diesel nozzle. Dunno if I will get the return line ran down the frame and clamped into place, but I hope to get that far so the fuel system will be done.
I also want to start on the cab mods. Flop the carpet over onto the pass side floorboard, cut out the trans tunnel, and get started on the column/pedals swap by getting most of it loose. Won't be able to put the new stuff in, till I get the firewall reinforcement plate. Those should be available again soon, so I really ought to get an order placed for it.
Would be nice to have this stuff done before setting the engine/trans into place. That way, I could leave them there......
 
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Old Sep 4, 2014 | 10:59 PM
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Got a confirmation that Terrapin mfg had the firewall plate available, and ordered it just now. Hope to have it in a few days.
 
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Old Sep 5, 2014 | 08:04 AM
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Glad the plate is available again. And in time for you.
 
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Old Sep 5, 2014 | 12:15 PM
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The higher vibration in the 4BT comes from 180 degree crank rotation between cyls firing, as opposed to 120 degrees in the 6BT. Same reason a gas 4 cyl has more vibration than an inline 6 gasser, so many I4's use a balance shaft, as do some V6 engines (Chevy 4.3, for example). It's just the nature of the beast. 4 crank throws are just harder to keep stable than 6 are. As RPM goes up, the vibration becomes a bit less noticeable.
It's been quite a while since I was in college, regularly doing the calculus needed to figure all this stuff out, but there are primary and secondary imbalances in all engines. With most common designs (including in-line 4s) they can easily get the primary imbalances to cancel each other out. But an in-line 6 is the smallest engine where the secondary imbalances also cancel out. If all of the parts in a 6 cyl weight the same it's perfectly smooth. V8s need harmonic balancers on the crank to run as smooth as an in-line 6. And 4s need balance shafts.
 
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Old Sep 5, 2014 | 12:37 PM
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Which is why BMW loves the inline six, which propels the M5 quite rapidly and smoothly.
 
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Old Sep 5, 2014 | 11:17 PM
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It's been quite a while since I was in college, regularly doing the calculus needed to figure all this stuff out, but there are primary and secondary imbalances in all engines. With most common designs (including in-line 4s) they can easily get the primary imbalances to cancel each other out. But an in-line 6 is the smallest engine where the secondary imbalances also cancel out. If all of the parts in a 6 cyl weight the same it's perfectly smooth. V8s need harmonic balancers on the crank to run as smooth as an in-line 6. And 4s need balance shafts.
I dunno about calculus and all that, but I do know that an inline 6 is almost always the smoothest running engine, and I know of none that are externally balanced. The rotary is smoother, though. Oddly enough, the rotary engine (2 rotor version) has a similar power wave as an inline 6, just not the torque of one. Likely has to do with also having 6 combustion surfaces (2 rotors, X 3 faces per rotor) like an inline 6.
Even GM brought back an inline 6 for their TrailBlazer/Arcadia SUV's.
 
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Old Sep 6, 2014 | 09:15 AM
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A bigger/better view of my "killer dowel pin" solution.



 
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Old Sep 6, 2014 | 10:21 AM
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Since there should be no force causing the pin to come out, that tab should keep it from moving - ever.
 
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Old Sep 6, 2014 | 10:36 AM
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Since there should be no force causing the pin to come out, that tab should keep it from moving - ever.
That, and I also stake punched around the hole......

The only reason the pin has a tendancy to come out, is the vibration of the engine (even in the inline 6 variety), and nothing to prevent it from simply slipping forward. It isn't a press-fit in the block, and the aluminum housing is a slip-fit over the pin. It is used just to line up the housing to the block. The vacuum pump/power steering pump assembly and injection pump are the only items that are bolted to the housing itself, as the oil pump and camshaft retainer plate both bolt directly into the block.

If the housing had used a blind hole, rather than an open hole, it would have never been an issue........
 
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Old Sep 6, 2014 | 11:36 AM
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I suppose using a threaded stud with a smooth shank would have cost a minute between tapping the hole and screwing it in on the assembly line...
 
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Old Sep 6, 2014 | 12:20 PM
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I suppose using a threaded stud with a smooth shank would have cost a minute between tapping the hole and screwing it in on the assembly line...
Yeah, and who would have dreamed the pin could fall out.......
Anyone with a clue about how an engine *actually* works. Vibration and heat/cooling cycles can do many things, so it shouldn't be a surprise that this pin can work it's way out of the hole........
 
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