That's the filter that would solve all of our water problems!?!

 

Tread lightly, my friend...

 

6.7 redlines at 4000 rpm

 

VW quoted a 150,000 km life cycle for their TDI motors....... that's 94k miles that they consider a "life time" for all the components before off to the junkyard.

TDIClub Forums - View Single Post - The Delphi DFP 6 High Pressure Fuel Pump Thread.

If you take a look at this post on TDI club, you can see the differences in the piston design, and the square bore for the shoe follower on the Dellphi DFP 6 versus the round bored "top hat" roller follower on the Bosch CP 4.1. You then have to ask "What is preventing that roller from going out of alignment with the cam?" Nothing, nothing at all, and that is exactly what Delphi addressed in their pump design... things that make you go Hmmm?

 

Our trucks don't use the CP4.1. And from everything I've read failures of the CP 4.2 are downright rare in comparison.

Do some searching and tell me how many Ford 6.7L and GM Duramax CP4.2 failures you find. There aren't very many.

 

Does the new Cummins use a similair HPFP?

 

Looks like the 6.7L uses the same Bosch CP3 pump that the Duramax used up until recently.

 

I have tried my best to make sure that the three sided story scenario would not be invoked. I will make another attempt. The first dealer replaced two different parts in two separate repairs in two failed attempts to repair the truck. There was no mention of water in fuel throughout the five days it took to attempt these repairs. The very part that this dealer used to void the warranty coverage on this repair was the same part they replaced with a new one in the second attempt. The discoloration of the ferrous metal base of this part is barely noticeable. So much so, that until the dealer knew he was now in the soup for two repairs that Ford would not reimburse him, the water in fuel card had still not been played. Their WIF diagnosis was a desperation move on their part to cover their previous ineptitude. My instincts tell me that based on their talent for covering their tracks in paperwork, they have been down this road before. I have been allowed to read the Customer Service Report. It is Pulitzer Prize material.

Shepherd Lincoln took one look at the truck, the fuel samples and the parts in question and immediately said that there first reaction was not water damage. They did withhold final opinion until their diesel tech with 33 years experience had a chance to do his job. After two days of pinpoint diagnosis, their position was HPFP pump failure not related to fuel quality or water. They had serviced the truck since new. They had drained the fuel separator multiple times. Each service record shows no water found in the fuel separator.

Then the political positioning began. Ford refused to send a FSE out for over a week. Not until my BIL, a Ford engineer and Plant Manager, got involved and made some contacts within the FSE department did a FSE appear. After his visit, he told the service manger he was not the enemy and he would have to see where he could go with this issue. In the end, internal politics and dealership CYA won out.

I am not the type to walk away from my responsibilities in situations like this. If I thought for an instant that there was a modicum of responsibility assignable to me in this fiasco, I would buck up and bear the burden. However, this is not the case. Those that know me realize the truth in that statement. Those that distrust my statements, I can only say that you do not know me. Even the high level Ford person who escalated the case agreed that I was in no way responsible for the breakdown. I have an email stating that fact. The other members who helped here have seen this email.

I hope this clarification helps others here understand the reality of the situation.

Regards

 

Even water in the fuel system should not cause failure of the HPFP. It should cause the truck to shutdown. Water which is not emulsified is not supposed to penetrate the Racor filter.

You may not be ready to jump ship, but you might put your life preserver on. The facts about the CP4.2 pump, that VW has had numerous failures, that Bosch recommends fuel with much higher lubricity than is commonly available in the U.S., those facts cast a significant shadow of doubt about the future reliability and cost of ownership, to say nothing for the behavior of FoMoCo.

 

If I understand correctly, this rare failure is costing rickatic $600 (could have been $10k.)

Many of us can sneeze or fart $600 to keep a good truck rolling.

What we can't tolerate is a slap in the face from a corrupt and incompetent company. I've heard enough to decide.

If anyone employed by Ford is reading this, visualize a smiley with his middle finger extended.

 

When I read stuff like this, from England, on top quality European D2 for fuel, and the pump still fails... then it's not the fuel... it's the pump design.


http://forums.tdiclub.com/showpost.p...&postcount=835


Same thing for pumps in Canada, failures on 460 micron canadian spec fuel.

 

Rick .... I would be very surprised if anyone on FTE that knows you seriously doubts your information, candor, or honesty. I am going to suggest that the doubting Thomas' are just in disbelief that something like this could actually happen and are looking for something normal to hold onto. Something that doesn't raise the fear factor that they maybe sitting on a time bomb.

As this issue makes headlines, based on your post yesterday, there will be many, many, more users chiming in that have no pre knowledge of you, your truck, or the history. Simply armchair quarterbacks that have an opinion but little to no value to add. Or GM/Dodge sales people that are salivating.

In case your wondering NinerBikes I was not referring to you.

 

Here is where the problem starts. I have posted my concerns about emulsified water many times in the past. We are not guaranteed that unscrupulous fuel vendors are not using emulsifiers in their tanks for their own benefit. If they have emulsified any water in their tanks, when you come back on them for bad fuel and the tank is tested, voila no water shows! Even using an additive with demulsifiers will not guarantee full water separation.

How many people have you heard stating that they don't find any water when they drain their water separator.........95%-98%? I wonder how it is possible that as many times as the fuel is transferred from one tank to another sometimes during rain events that no water is making into the water separator? I know for a fact that storage tanks at terminals have water drained off of them daily due to condensation buildup in the large tanks. I won't continue to beat a dead horse about emulsified water.

Rick, thanks for the response. My mind develops questions and I ask them to satisfy it, not necessarily to discredit you. No matter the circumstances, it appears that you are the victim. Now that you have a completely new fuel system, what are the possibilities of future warranty on those components? If there is no possible warranty on the fuel system, I would think seriously about aftermarket water separation and lubricity additive. Of course those will be necessary items on a Duramax that uses the same pump as well.

 

You really should be extending that finger to the dealer that flagged it as non warranty

 

You're right I should, but I'm feeling bitter and sassy as I just had a similar experience with a foreign manufacturer. I also find it hard to believe that some mid-level suit at Ford couldn't easily reverse the first dealer's decision.

Peace and a great weekend to all.