HPFP failures
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The warranty covers defects in materials & workmanship.
Should a manufacturer have to pay to repair an engine because somebody poured, say, 10 gallons of bleach into the tank? (Please don't misinterpret that, I'm not trying to suggest you intentionally did anything like that, it's just a rhetorical example.)
It is the owner's responsibility to not allow tainted or compromised fuel into their vehicles. The engineers & factory do what they can to guard against certain levels of certain kinds of contamination, but it's nevertheless the owner's responsibility.
So, again... can you say anything about the exact nature of the contaminated fuel? Because that's a pretty broad term and can cover a lot of different scenarios.
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I think the exact reason ford is using the term contaminated is that it is broad in nature. I am a farmer and know exactly the dangers of water, rust, parafin, dust and a thousand other contaminates in fuel. I also am very sure a bug would not pass thru a 10 micron filter. I am trying to get past the " buyer beware " in the purchase of diesel on Americas roadways. I only buy fuel at major companies. Son in law calls me a fuel policeman, will not buy at a ststion that is even a little dirty on the outside. Ford has a problem with this issue and it is only going to get bigger. I mainly want to connect with others that have had or know of others with this problem
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Well maybe there will be some help from the investigastion ongoing from NHTSA. They specifically ask the question what type of fuel was used to test the HPFP, and as to what Ford would qualify as a good fuel for consumers to buy/use. I think that line of investigation will stop OEM's from being able to use "contaminated fuel" as a scape goat.
On another post here regarding fuel nozzles, ..... remember when unleaded first came out? The restrictors were put in the tank fill neck and the unleaded spouts were undersized from Regular and Ethyl. Y'all remember Ethyl?
I guess they could make the filler tube restrictors oval shaped, that way the modification at the fuel pumps would be easy ..... just lay them on the ground and hit them with a 5lb sledge.
On another post here regarding fuel nozzles, ..... remember when unleaded first came out? The restrictors were put in the tank fill neck and the unleaded spouts were undersized from Regular and Ethyl. Y'all remember Ethyl?
I guess they could make the filler tube restrictors oval shaped, that way the modification at the fuel pumps would be easy ..... just lay them on the ground and hit them with a 5lb sledge.
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The new 6.7 was the exact reason I bought a Ford. I maintained for years that I would never own a diesel PU because I had to be around the stinking stuff everyday, and would not handle it on the highway. But the last gas PU got 6 mpg pulling the gooseneck. The Ford diesel gets 14 mpg. What good is the most advanced diesel engine in the industry, if 12,000 miles from new you have to spend in my case $ 8500.00 to fix it
Wish I had kept buying gasoline.
Wish I had kept buying gasoline.
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I own a 2011 6.7 liter I have 12,000 miles on it and have $8500 in damage that Ford is not covering by warranty. If contaminated fuel gets into the motor isnt it the filter system that failed. I know of two other trucks within 50 miles of me with same damage, Ford paid for one. One man spent $14000 , and I must pay $8500 Help me out here I am not good on a computer but am mad as hell that a $55,000 truck has this issue.
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If you go by the HPFP manufacturer and the model and platform, then yes. Bosch CP4 is the pump platform model, the HPFP that failed on your truck.
If you feel that this issue has caused a safety hazard, you can report your issue to the NHTSA at: https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/
Does this seem vaguely familiar?
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...an-update.html
If you feel that this issue has caused a safety hazard, you can report your issue to the NHTSA at: https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/
Does this seem vaguely familiar?
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...an-update.html
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Thanks, All circumstances are the same. Damage to the HP fuel system from "contaminated fuel" in my case, nothing happened as far as truck shutdown, I took it to my dealer when check engine light came on for another reason. No water in fuel light yet local fuel distributor found water in fuel. It is simply not possible for motoring public to know if contaminates are going past fuel filters. What value are the filters if "contaminates get past sensors and filters
Second, file a claim with the NHSTA. It is a simple form that takes 5 minutes or less to fill out. I filed mine this afternoon. I would post the link but I am unsure if it violates FTE policy.
Third, make sure you get the failed High Pressure Fuel Pump back from the dealer. This will cost you the $100 core charge but it might come in handy later.
Regards
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My insurance covers vandalism. Country Mutual (farm bureau) is my ins and had a claim exactly like mine 3 days later, and they already know what is going on. This is not vandalism, it is flat out Ford acting like they do not have a problem. My dealer as of a week ago had sold a total of "less than 10" of the new 6.7 diesel trucks and have had two fail already. Ford fixed the first in late April then rejected mine and another in the next county. So thats three that I know about in a 60 mile radius in central ILL I have filed a complaint with NHTSA
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Am I mssing something here? Ford is saying water in fuel can cause all this damage...but from what ive read bio diesel contains a much larger amount of water by it's nature. Last I looked at my truck it has a near badge with a leaf that says bio diesel 20. So how can a little water that is an inherent part of bio diesel that truck is rated for cause a problem. I also remember those with failures saying how ford asked a bout bio diesel. Why should that matter. I'm starting to question this trucks integrity.
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My insurance covers vandalism. Country Mutual (farm bureau) is my ins and had a claim exactly like mine 3 days later, and they already know what is going on. This is not vandalism, it is flat out Ford acting like they do not have a problem. My dealer as of a week ago had sold a total of "less than 10" of the new 6.7 diesel trucks and have had two fail already. Ford fixed the first in late April then rejected mine and another in the next county. So thats three that I know about in a 60 mile radius in central ILL I have filed a complaint with NHTSA
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Every one I pass I think what a mess that guy could be in and not know it I specifically pass on bio diesel because I know from farm experience the issues there can be with it. Can you or anyone driving one feel comfortable knowing you could be one more drop of water or "contamination" away from HPFP failure. Get ready, $8500 doesnt sound like that much money. Call your dealer and ask!
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Shouldn't really matter (unless someone stuck a fire hose in the gas stations storage tank) The filtering system in the truck should seperate out "free" water in the fuel. Apparently the emulsified water in B20 is not a problem. I think there should be a sensor in the water separator that powers down the engine if the water level in the separator reaches excessive levels of water. Then resets itself when the water is drained.
The manufacturer (whatever the brand) has a responsibility to the buying public to build a product that is fit for service in the market in which it is sold.
I don't understand that but Im no engineer either. Just a guy who owns his last Ford and at this point in time DARN GLAD it's a 6.0, at least I know what is coming and how to deal with it and how much it may cost me. (worst case no where near $10K
Steve