Here is what I know. I am the most paticular person there is when it comes to this type issue. Specifically in this case buying diesel. If you do not travel you can single out a good supplier and buy fuel there. If for example though, you buy fuel an hour after a tanker drops, you are going to get all kinds of debris from the tank bottom that has been stired up by the mass flow from the 3" hose that filled the big tank. There are dozens of scenerios for getting " contaminated fuel " Think rather that the fuel filter on your MONSTER FORD might let you down. Call your dealer and ask him!

 

Properly made biodiesel will not harm common rail diesels, or any other diesel. ASTM biodiesel has far less water than common D2. I've made over 12,000 gallons of QUALITY biodiesel and have never had any fuel related problems.

B5 biodiesel contains just 5% bio/95% diesel, but improves the lubricity by 57%!

Don't blams bio for this!

 

My truck never thru a water in fuel code and ford said was not enough water to do so. They are saying that it is " contaminated fuel " so you can make any conclusion you wish. So it was not water it was debris and the filters did not stop it from reaching the HPFP. What difference does it make? if you own one I hope you sleep well and have an extra little cash around
Thanks, Mike

 

As far as stirring up the bottom of the tank just after a fuel delivery, it was already posted on this forum that the fuel pickup in fuel stations always draws from the top down. Service station pumps also have filters on them.

 

Did they sample the fuel and send it out?

 

Good point, and I bought fuel at one of those places, out of one of those tanks thru one of those filters and spent $8500 to fix a mess that may come back at any time, cause you gotta buy fuel. And Ford filters did not stop the dirt from destroying my HPFP

 

The fuel was sampled and Morgan dist, one of the largest in central il said there was water in fuel. It does not matter, my truck never thru a water in fuel code. You gonna argue with Ford by yourself? My point exactly. I need to find others that have had this problem.

 

Sorry that happened to you, we don't mean to seem unsympathetic. Hope they can figure out the cause.

Did you, by any chance, use a fuel additive of any kind? Just curious. Since it states that it helps with lubricity, I'm converting from being a non-user to a user for the just-in-case factor.

 

How do they draw from the top down? Do they have some sort of floating pickup? I am not familiar with any type of floating arrangement in underground tanks.

I always laugh when people talk about not letting your tank get below a half or a quarter full to prevent picking up water or dirt. The fuel pickup tube in these trucks is not much more than 1/8" off the bottom of the tank. If it's in the bottom of the tank you will suck it up regardless of how much fuel is in the tank.

 

Pam

Your question is the problem. My truck has seen very little free water. There was about an ounce of water in the water separator. It was the first water found in the separator...if that is where it was found. There was no water found in the secondary filter. No one knows the truth about these fuel pumps except Ford and Bosch. I have fed my truck nothing but fuel bought from reputable and large fuel retailers. Outside of feeding it a fuel additive, there was not one single thing I could do as an owner that would have prevented this debacle...and I am not sure that a fuel additive would have helped.

So...it appears that the real problem is low lubricity. These trucks need better fuel than we can consistently purchase in this country. Thus the need for fuel additives. Ford has offered little to help understand the real issues in play...but they have done a lot to cover their butts. Two separate publications coincidentally show up after my problem became public. The latest addresses exactly what Ford needs to happen so another dealer does not mess up another warranty claim...where's that duck...I hear him quacking...

Regards

 

Thanks to all that have contributed. The Bosch system in this 2011 6.7 F-250 and filter system have given me $8500 reasons to find any one with a similar problem. I personally know of two others in my area alone. If you own a Super Duty with a 6.7 twin turbo diesel you need to keep a very close eye on every gallon of fuel you burn. Ford will end up in court with this mess or they will come clean and correct it
Thanks Mike

 

This board shows only the tip of the iceberg, but as more folks post about their High Pressure Fuel Pump problems, and failures, and fuel being the blame (which NHTSA has found in VW that it's just a huge smoke screen to a potential defective design of the HPFP, in my opinion) VW abused the "contaminated fuel", and now Ford is touting the same line. It's as if they are being coached or managed by Bosch on what to say and do.

I maintain that that Bosch cp4 HPFP having 2 pistons and 2 cam rollers that can rotate 90 degress out of it's "self aligment" mode in the bore, and that it can, and does, is a design defect.

Folks, you all need to do your research, and find out more about the guts of that Bosch CF4 HPFP that sits in your Ford 6.7, and come to your own conclusions why it fails. Keep your old pump, pay the darn $100 core charge, and find out yourself when you open it up, why it failed. then tell us it was not a design failure, either the piston rotation, cam roller alignment with the cam, or the scoring. The whole fuel system needs to be designed and made fairly water proof, and idiot proof, so that it doesn't fail and do $10k worht of damage.

Seriously, I think there are a lot more failures out there than we know, Google and Bing are just now starting to get more hits so that this board shows up on the radar. we can thank Rickatic for that.

Seriously, I think it's a crying shame folks are being fleeced of their hard earned money in this economy of $50k trucks with bogus HPFP issues.

To those that say... oh, it's such a small percentage... theres plenty of history in other brands of vehicles that have been out 2 years longer than these Ford 6.7's, and you guys are just now seeing the failures, the same way 2 years ago, the other brand of vehicle started seeing the same types of failures. A Bosch CP4 HPFP is a Bosch CP4 HPFP, regardless of the power plant/engine that it's bolted to. From where I sit, with what I've observed, it's Fords turn to add to the pile of dead HPFP's with that Bosch CP4 tag on it.

One other thing, look around that Ford shop for dead fuel tanks off of diesels, and get some pictures of them... really curious if the service writers will say "that's the first one of these I've seen", while the dead plastic fuel tanks collect out back, out of these diesels, from all the previous jobs they've done.

 

sorry we clean the fuel tanks. I have not had one tha was plastic that could not done.

 

My understanding from what was posted on this forum was it was some type of floating pickup. I don't know of any other setup that could draw from the top down.

 

Ninerbikes,
Has your 6.7L been effected yet? Can you post me a picture of your engine and where this pump is located? I'm thinking of going diesel and would like more info on this.
Thanks.