This is hilarious. 
460 vs 5.4
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Sorry but yes, a stock 5.4 3v (the current F-150 engine), and a stock 460 both coupled to the same tranny, same weight truck, and same gearing, the 5.4 would destroy it. The 4.6 3v would destroy a 460 too. Torque is not what gets you speed, unless you enjoy lugging your engine down to 1500 RPM up a hill, torque matters very little. It is all about HP, and that is what the 460 lacks.
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I used to think the same way, but then I tried driving a newer truck, man that sure changed my tune! I didnt love the new trucks, but i sure loved the technology under the hood! (not saying that now I hate the older trucks either, cause I dont, I love them too!)
Try a newer truck one day, just for fun, you may be surprised!
Try a newer truck one day, just for fun, you may be surprised!
F it, I'm back. I can't stand ignorance broadcast in the clear.
Do the same to the V10 and see what you get. What's even better is that the V10 will be able to rev to places the 460 can't even think about.
It breaks my heart to confuse all of your opinions with facts, but the 460 was only offered with what it was offered with. The new technology has made it obsolete, just like new technology will do to these.
And it was me who said the 4.6 3 valve will mathmaticly outpull the 460. It's a fact based on available gearing. The 4.17 first gear of the 6r owns anything that the 460 has ever been coupled to. Sorry, but do the math yourself if you want.
The funny thing is that I'm not a big fan of the 5.4 at all. Against the competition it's weak as heck. Times have changed, move on.
Mike
Do the same to the V10 and see what you get. What's even better is that the V10 will be able to rev to places the 460 can't even think about.
It breaks my heart to confuse all of your opinions with facts, but the 460 was only offered with what it was offered with. The new technology has made it obsolete, just like new technology will do to these.
And it was me who said the 4.6 3 valve will mathmaticly outpull the 460. It's a fact based on available gearing. The 4.17 first gear of the 6r owns anything that the 460 has ever been coupled to. Sorry, but do the math yourself if you want.
The funny thing is that I'm not a big fan of the 5.4 at all. Against the competition it's weak as heck. Times have changed, move on.
Mike
Whats arrogance....its math.....and all you have to debate it with is seat of the pants feel....
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When it comes to torque, its when it makes torque that makes the difference. Just look at a diesel engine !
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Hell, if you tied a tow strap between the rear end of a corvette ZR1 and a tractor trailer, the vette would accelerate the truck faster then its own engine could. You might have a bit of an issue getting going because of the lack of a crawler gear and the gobs of torque, but like I said, once you ARE moving the massive HP the engine puts out will be dominant.
460s can be built to out well over 1000HP, 5.4s can be built to put out well over 1000HP. If you have enough money, anything is possible.
The reason why diesels are good for towing is because they don't have to spin fast, because they make enough torque to offset their slow spinning and still keep the HP numbers relatively high. That slow spinning is what gives them good fuel economy and insane durability.
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If you can keep both engines @ peak hp, it does not matter which one makes the most torque, the engine with the most hp wins, every time...its physics.
Torque is just the amount of force, hp is force through distance. A one hp engine can only do one hp worth of work, it matters not if it makes that power @ 100 rpm or 10,000rpm. It WILL make a load of torque at 100rpm to produce one hp, and very little torque@ 10,000rpm to make the same single hp.
Now if the torque stayed the same as rpm increased, hp would go up, way up.
Torque does not get the load moving, that is a misconseption. Torque by its self does nothing... as soon as it begins to move something, you now have horsepower. A single hp can produce as much torque as you want throught gearing or leverage, but it can only do one hp worth of work. As you make more torque with that single hp, it moves slower and slower.
Bottom line, it is the amount of hp, not torque you are producing that will win. Every time. No exceptions.
Torque is just the amount of force, hp is force through distance. A one hp engine can only do one hp worth of work, it matters not if it makes that power @ 100 rpm or 10,000rpm. It WILL make a load of torque at 100rpm to produce one hp, and very little torque@ 10,000rpm to make the same single hp.
Now if the torque stayed the same as rpm increased, hp would go up, way up.
Torque does not get the load moving, that is a misconseption. Torque by its self does nothing... as soon as it begins to move something, you now have horsepower. A single hp can produce as much torque as you want throught gearing or leverage, but it can only do one hp worth of work. As you make more torque with that single hp, it moves slower and slower.
Bottom line, it is the amount of hp, not torque you are producing that will win. Every time. No exceptions.
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You guys put down a lot of nice figures, but I kind of put them almost in the same category with the tundras "381 hp", I think japanese horses are smaller than American horses LOL haha!.......Anyway, I dont think there are any 10,000ft mountain ranges in R.I. and cant say for "none of your business" Out here I dont think too many people would take the 5.4 over the 460 when climbing the Cascade summit with 12,000lbs in tow. All I can give you is a real world, rubber meets the road experience......I have yet to be passed with my 460 carrying my 2,700lbs slide in camper, 2,500lbs of boat in tow, 2,000lbs of gear, people,water,dogs etc.... by a 5.4 equipped F-150/250 or any other gas powered rig while climbing a 6% grade at 6,000ft......You can stick by your opinion, I will stick by mine.
i think its time to upgrade your truck. the museum of ancient outdated gas suckers called me today and said they are waiting to open the doors because they havent recieved your truck. time to retire it bud. im going to drive out to oregon just to show u up in your rod knocker. hopefully your oil pump holds out until then.
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ohh i forgot to mention. this topic should be called.
330 vs. 460
what a joke of a topic this is. the 330 cubic inch engine is putting out just as much power as a 460 cubic engine built by the same manufacturer in STOCK form.
330 vs. 460
what a joke of a topic this is. the 330 cubic inch engine is putting out just as much power as a 460 cubic engine built by the same manufacturer in STOCK form.
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i think its time to upgrade your truck. the museum of ancient outdated gas suckers called me today and said they are waiting to open the doors because they havent recieved your truck. time to retire it bud. im going to drive out to oregon just to show u up in your rod knocker. hopefully your oil pump holds out until then.