Some of you guys should check prices on new and used trucks around Canada, at least here anyway, the Dodges and Fords cost about the same and after depreciation the Dodges seem to hold value a bit better, 29K for an '01 Ford Lariat vs. 35K for an '01 Ram SLT Plus. With used trucks the only thing similar between them is if it says diesel the price goes fron 9-10K for gas to 25+ for the diesels. I know this because I have been looking at trucks for the past 2 years, but it is next to impossible to find a good used diesel that hasn't been a bush truck.

 

Speaking of a million miles, show me one example of a Cummins in a Dodge pickup that has gone 1,000,000 without a rebuild. The Cummins is so awesome and overengineered and has been around long enough that I would certainly think that these "one million mile" Cummins would be everywhere.

 

First time i have ever been able to do it... w/ the cattle and horse market the way it is i'll beable to make more money than i have in the past and thats if i dont have any majors setbacks. Not guaranteed yet, just looks good on paper.

 

I dont know about your area but the dodge i got was about 8 G less than the same ford model in this area.

 

Well i have heard that they put a million test miles on them but bigsnag i know this is hard for you but dont be ignorant. There is no way ANY fullsized pickup w/ ANY diesel could last 1 mil miles, the engine maybe bot not the rest of the pickup, thats why you dont see diesel engines w/ a mil miles cruizing around. I would have thought that would have been obvious to you.

 

OK let us be nice.....TO ALL

 

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Marine Ironman:

I believe what Heritic said was:
I don't think the discussion was towards the testing of engines by a manufacturer
so I really don't see how you "sharpened" him. Do you think a person with that engine in their truck will be able to drive 6.5 million miles without a rebuild? Because all I see you doing is avoiding the original debate. And I didn't hear him say the Cummins is a superior and advanced piece of technology compared to the PSD. What I think he is subtly hinting is that inlines (mainly 5 and 6 cyl.) are going to take you farther without having to rebuild 6 or 7 times. Here is what I found:

Guy with F-350 that "claims" 800,000 but he doesn't seem like a dumb kid so I believe him.
http://www.rotella.com/success_stories/larrys.html

and this one:
http://www.biodiesel.org/resources/users/stories/2004_0503_michigan_buses.pdf

These are the first high mileage diesel stories to pop up under google after searching "million mile cummins".

But Ironman I do have to give you congrats on being able to take things way out of context, that's quite a feat. And I like your comment on the PSD durable thread
""We did come to the conclusion. PSD is the most durable engine. The Dodge-Terrorists are holding out in the mosque in Al-Chrysler, and refuse to surrender.""
I'm sure at the Dodge truck enthusiasts forum the dodge wins most durable debate "gasp" and the Chevy at the Chevy truck enthusiasts forum to? NUH-UH

 

Theres no way Dodge could be priced the same as Ford. If that was the case Ford would win the sale everytime. Doge has the cummins Ford has the better overall truck. I still think Dodge was stupid not having a crew cab similar to Fords. The crewcabs are a big market. The higher ups at Dodge missed a big sales opportunity with there pathetic crewcab if thats what you call it. If you like up a Ford CC against the Dodge.The Ford completly dominates the Dodge. Dodge will never gain in truck sales they will always be no. 3 despite Hemi and Cummins thats about all they got.

 

Thanks for proving my point. There are no million mile Cummins in pickups out there, so the point is moot. Any of these modern diesels, if properly maintained will easily outlast the rest of the truck. That's what I was getting at. Again, thanks for helping me prove my point. Now that the longevity issue has been settled, we need to focus on things that matter such as power, mileage, and the quality of the rest of the truck beyond just the engine. In ALL of those categories Ford wins, hands down. Next!!!

 

I'm not sure if we addressed this site here but I'm sure I've seen it before:

http://list.priceweber.com/cummins/million_mile.html

bigsnag I think you were the one you said "show me one example of a Cummins in a Dodge pickup that has gone 1,000,000 without a rebuild." Well here it is.

 

I stand corrected. Still the argument remains true. These engines, all of them PSD, CTD, and even the Duramax will outlast the rest of the truck 99.99999% of the time. So then you are left with the other factors, again, all of which are in favor of the Ford with the PSD.

 

Yeah, I don't think I could live in a world without diesel engines, or chicken nuggets for that matter. But I think the actual trucks are all built well, explain again how Ford has the advantage.

 

See Dodge automatic transmissions. 'Nough said.

 

There is still a standard transmission to choose from.

 

Wow youve gone off course with that one ironman. Come back to us. I showed you mulitple examples on inlines that were capable of over a million ROAD miles. Including cummins. To debate your comment that more mains would not lead to better durability. You come back with company tests. Do you know how they do those? I have read of them. They strap an engine to 90% load and run it for 200 hours and call it 150k equivelant miles. Not actually 150k miles. Just 200 hours of hard work. Do that to 40 engines and you have your 6 million customer equivalent miles. But the engine has not even been mounted in a truck. The argument is absurd. It feels like your grasping at straws to me. To prove your point which was mistaken. Inlines are very durable. Which is why the 300 EARNED the respect of so many people.