PSD vs Cummins
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bigsnag, glad to know I don't have to worry about it burning down my truck one of these days. 
Hey, I checked out your gallery. Awesome lookin truck!!! 
Very nice job on that paint. I agree, that old green color looked like some kind of standard issue military type thing. Even the military green has more shine. Now that new paint, that looks really sharp. Nice shine and really good paint job. That's black right? Nothing shines like black paint.
Hey, I checked out your gallery. Awesome lookin truck!!! Very nice job on that paint. I agree, that old green color looked like some kind of standard issue military type thing. Even the military green has more shine. Now that new paint, that looks really sharp. Nice shine and really good paint job. That's black right? Nothing shines like black paint.
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Originally Posted by FordLariat
That sucks about the tranny that exploded, but that's not the engine. Also, in my research, I found less than 500 6.0 PSD buybacks. I have seen a CTD grenade, actually a couple of them. None of them were even close to 500k. I agree, though, anyone who spends that much money doesn't deserve a factory defect.
http://www.freep.com/money/autonews/...0_20030820.htm
http://www.autosafety.org/article.php?did=834&scid=93
http://www.blueovalnews.com/2003/pow..._injectors.htm
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LH, you're right, Ford does not disclose how many buybacks they have had to do. I figure it isn't too many, even including the replacements, lemons and all, or 98% of them wouldn't be on the road. Since Ford does not disclose how many buybacks they have had, you can apply the math of how many trucks they have sold, then take into account that all of the ones that have been wrecked beyond repair, been lemons, buybacks, no matter what, less than 2% of them have been taken off the road. I don't see where you find anything more than 500.
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You can also bet that about 99% of the owners of ones that got bought back are on every message board and posting a ton about their problems. Misery loves company. Don't ever underestimate the power of the VOCAL minority.
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Originally Posted by bigsnag
You can also bet that about 99% of the owners of ones that got bought back are on every message board and posting a ton about their problems. Misery loves company. Don't ever underestimate the power of the VOCAL minority.
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Most people don't just go join a message board to talk about how good things are going and how nothing is messing up. People come to message boards to try to get help from experienced people with their problems.
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Originally Posted by FordLariat
LH, you're right, Ford does not disclose how many buybacks they have had to do. I figure it isn't too many, even including the replacements, lemons and all, or 98% of them wouldn't be on the road. Since Ford does not disclose how many buybacks they have had, you can apply the math of how many trucks they have sold, then take into account that all of the ones that have been wrecked beyond repair, been lemons, buybacks, no matter what, less than 2% of them have been taken off the road. I don't see where you find anything more than 500.
Watch out, as I've noticed on this website, there is a lot of pull-it-from-the-rear asserting going on without much proof, math, or analysis to back it up.
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I dont supply bunk numbers. If it was statistically insignificant. As you suggest. Then they wouldnt have a write up in these rags to talk about their problems. Would they? I can supply more links if you are a disbeliever.
So you have to ask yourself. Why did ford get bad press and not dodge or chevy? If they are within this sigma 6 as you have stated.
If you get bored. You could go read up on the nhtsa site.
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/pr...in/results.cfm
I found 24 for the 03 ford diesel. There is none for the 03 dodge diesel and 1 for the 03 chevy diesel. Statistically speaking. It seems like the 03 launch of the 6.0 was of statistical significance. Sorry to be the one to break the bad news to you. This is the single worst launch that I have seen in my lifetime.
Why dont you go over to the diesel stop and type in buybacks into the search engine. That statistical insignificance will provide you with days of reading.
So you have to ask yourself. Why did ford get bad press and not dodge or chevy? If they are within this sigma 6 as you have stated.
If you get bored. You could go read up on the nhtsa site.
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/pr...in/results.cfm
I found 24 for the 03 ford diesel. There is none for the 03 dodge diesel and 1 for the 03 chevy diesel. Statistically speaking. It seems like the 03 launch of the 6.0 was of statistical significance. Sorry to be the one to break the bad news to you. This is the single worst launch that I have seen in my lifetime.
Why dont you go over to the diesel stop and type in buybacks into the search engine. That statistical insignificance will provide you with days of reading.
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Despite a massive early recall and almost 500 buybacks of vehicles with engines so badly flawed that they couldn't be fixed
http://www.autosafety.org/article.php?did=834&scid=93
http://www.theautochannel.com/F/news...16/166965.html
http://www.just-auto.com/news_detail...=41824&lk=nd02
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/a...x.php/t-147496
http://www.autonews.com/search.cms
http://www.hottruck.com/news2.htm
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OK thats in the past this is today. We all know the early problems. Are you trying to discourage us from buying one. Thats the way it looks. After twenty years and thousands and thousands of engines. Ford had a problem with there diesels. Not too bad in my book. At least Ford is fixing the problem. Up until the duramax GM had problems with therediesel evry year they made them. Did that make the news. NO. All of those engines are retired to the salvage yard. Many older Ford diesels are still running.. Today is to day. When the 6.0 is perfect you will still say there are problems. When Ford sell as many diesels as they do. Any problems make the news. Every auto maker has buybacks. Its just a part of doing business. Hey I didnt want to go in to this. I couldnt help it.
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As much as I hate to say it I have to mostly agree there, Chev had alot of bad diesels but I know of one for sure that was good. A buddy of mine had a '85 6.2 Chev 1/2 ton with a Camaro tranny (from factory) that old truck got clocked by the cops at 170Km/H and the harder you drove it (burnouts, high revving etc.) the better it ran. It was high gheared enough that if you weren't at about 130 when you hit O/D you would actually slow down. Then he hit a deer and the only thing that kept it from being written off by the insurance company was the diesel engine. He pulled the diesel and replaced it with a 454 and has completely ruined a good toy. Sad to say that if we hit a deer with one of our ford diesels they would be writted off be it a diesel or not. But yea chev has had alot of probs with thier diesels, even the Duramax, in the '80s GM would viod the warranty on thier diesels if you used it for hauling campers and what not. Correct me if I am wrong though.
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Originally Posted by 150ford
OK thats in the past this is today. We all know the early problems. Are you trying to discourage us from buying one. Thats the way it looks. After twenty years and thousands and thousands of engines. Ford had a problem with there diesels. Not too bad in my book. At least Ford is fixing the problem. .
No sir. Im not trying to discourage people. It had a rough lauch. Most of the problems have been ironed out. It irks me when people minimalize the problems. This was a major headache for ford.
I see the Logical Heretic is running around on other threads w/ much of the same baloney.
Im not full of hooey. The first 5 months were a disaster.
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Originally Posted by 351M
in the '80s GM would viod the warranty on thier diesels if you used it for hauling campers and what not.
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Originally Posted by Logical Heritic
Remember an automaker will only fix what they have to. The 7.3 guys put up with the cackle for years.
No sir. Im not trying to discourage people. It had a rough lauch. Most of the problems have been ironed out. It irks me when people minimalize the problems. This was a major headache for ford.
This bothered me. I dont even like baloney. What part of the animal does it come from. Its like chicken nuggets. If I cant identify it. I dont eat it.
Im not full of hooey. The first 5 months were a disaster.
No sir. Im not trying to discourage people. It had a rough lauch. Most of the problems have been ironed out. It irks me when people minimalize the problems. This was a major headache for ford.
This bothered me. I dont even like baloney. What part of the animal does it come from. Its like chicken nuggets. If I cant identify it. I dont eat it.
Im not full of hooey. The first 5 months were a disaster.