PSD vs Cummins
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Originally Posted by bigsnag
To paraphase and adapt a quote from a recent movie "It has been weighed, it has been measured, and it has been found wanting.
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Originally Posted by Budly
If i had more money to spend on a vehicle, trusted an automatic ..... But i dont tow anything at 80 MPH so i dont need to spend the extra money on a Ford.
(b) You don't want to tow at 80 mph, and so you buy a Dodge. Help me here. I ... I just can follow your logic. First, the only people towing at 80 are RV people across Nevada. Secondly ... even if you DID want to tow at 80 (and I would not either in your case) ... but if you DID ... you would HAVE to get a Ford.
You've got me baffled, Budman.
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It was taken from Daniel Chapter 5 verse 27 "TEKEL; Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting", and then used in the cheesy movie "A Knight's Tale". Good pick ups from both Ironman and Muffinman.
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Originally Posted by Marine Ironman
Budly, let me get this straight. (a) You don't trust an automatic. On God's green earth why? Is this previous dodge ownership experience? You're MUCH better off on low-end towing with an auto, my friend. Take your trailer down to the Ford dealership tomorrow and test drive a PSD w/ that trailer on it. Then come back and post to this thread.
(b) You don't want to tow at 80 mph, and so you buy a Dodge. Help me here. I ... I just can follow your logic. First, the only people towing at 80 are RV people across Nevada. Secondly ... even if you DID want to tow at 80 (and I would not either in your case) ... but if you DID ... you would HAVE to get a Ford.
You've got me baffled, Budman.
The Ironman
(b) You don't want to tow at 80 mph, and so you buy a Dodge. Help me here. I ... I just can follow your logic. First, the only people towing at 80 are RV people across Nevada. Secondly ... even if you DID want to tow at 80 (and I would not either in your case) ... but if you DID ... you would HAVE to get a Ford.
You've got me baffled, Budman.
The Ironman
I tow usually fairly slow with a huge load so i like the better low end grunt and closer gear ration of the Cummins/Dodge 6 Speed. Remember money was also a big factor here. Makes sense to me anyways.
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Money was a big factor but you still trade trucks every 2 years?? That doesn't jive.
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Originally Posted by Marine Ironman
Heretic, here ... drink your own medicine, and I quote:
"The HEMI engine with MDS has completed over 6.5 million customer-equivalent miles through Chrysler Group’s development and durability testing"
at: http://www.allpar.com/mopar/new-mopar-hemi.html
How's that for a twist? I give you a Dodge V8 as the first example. Let your fingers do the googling for the rest. You'll get hundreds of hits.
Next ...
Ironman
"The HEMI engine with MDS has completed over 6.5 million customer-equivalent miles through Chrysler Group’s development and durability testing"
at: http://www.allpar.com/mopar/new-mopar-hemi.html
How's that for a twist? I give you a Dodge V8 as the first example. Let your fingers do the googling for the rest. You'll get hundreds of hits.
Next ...
Ironman
On average the Dodge cost 3k more than the Ford, so money can't be that big of deal. Of course deals do abound.
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Originally Posted by NDomsky2
Obviously Marine Ironman is in the need of help. Not only are you completely blowing everything way out of proportion, but you can't even come up with a good nickname for me. Once again you are solely basing all of your arguement on tests that you were never around in the first place. You also said that your Cummins is almost red-lining and shaking at 85. Anyone who has a half of a brain knows that this is complete crap. Your problem is that you forgot to shift the truck from fourth to fifth (Assuming you weren't stupid enough to buy the Dodge automatic) I completely agree that the PSD is faster if you are trying to drag race. All I said was that when it comes to reliability, the Cummins has proven itself for a much longer time than the PSD. That is Ford's fault for being a company that cant provide their customers with a truck with a worthwhile diesel engine until the Powerstroke. Now that it has all you PSD guys are gung-ho about it. As far as the 600 being new. The fact is that almost everything is the same. Cummins has had the 5.9 since it has been in the Dodge. Ford had to change their whole motor to compete w/ Dodge. MMMMMM What does that say about reliability that the Cummins has by being able to basically use the same block for a long time. I don't give a **** what the magazines say or any test. I know what I know from driving both, and my opinion is the Cummins is the better engine. Why does Marine Ironman own a Cummins if they are so badly beaten by the PSD. That Cummins that supposedly shakes and red-lines at 85mph will still outlast whatever PSD you might have.
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Originally Posted by Marine Ironman
Hey DD7.3 .... there's a Chebbie Guy on this forum called DMAX-HD who goes around touting Chevy 2500's on this website. He's actually done something smart, and bought a Duramax ... which IS a decent engine. My only point to him is ... as long as you're going to go for one of the top two (PSD and Duramax) ... why buy Jap? Buy American, and you still get the edge on the performance, too.
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Ok I think I get it... hardly any Duramax owners join this site because they don't need to argue over whats better whereas the Cummins owners are sore over their short-sighted decision so they need to stir up trouble on the PSD forum to pump up their manhood.
Last edited by DieselDonor7.3; Aug 18, 2004 at 05:56 AM.
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Originally Posted by DieselDonor7.3
Ok good. I posted that comment in hopes of attracting some positive feedback; an actual positive comment on the D-Max. I certainly agree but the engine is relatively new (since Chevy put their magic touch on it) and I would wait a couple years until getting one. You know, maybe work any kinks out. Like the infamous rumored piston ring problem(rumor or not?).
Ok I think I get it... hardly any Duramax owners join this site because they don't need to argue over whats better whereas the Cummins owners are sore over their short-sighted decision so they need to stir up trouble on the PSD forum to pump up their manhood.
Ok I think I get it... hardly any Duramax owners join this site because they don't need to argue over whats better whereas the Cummins owners are sore over their short-sighted decision so they need to stir up trouble on the PSD forum to pump up their manhood.
First off Chevy is to blame for all there problems. Bad designs, poor customer relations "umm I wonder why, Any company that would screw its employees wouldn't do that that to the Buyer" Then they spend Millions on a Song's for TV adds. I quess Ford and Dodge got it all wrong when they got some real designers. If Nascar was not around Chevy would have nothing to say about there products. Ed Wallace said it right, "When was the last time a song fixed bad desicions at the top"
I'll give Cummins it's due being that I worked at the Arlington, Texas plant in the 80's. Granted we made backup generators for High Rises not automotive engines. All the engines were hand bulit from the ground up and designed for a single purpose to work when it was needed! If someone had a better idea they would listen at the upper managment as to how to do something better.
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The Heretic Has Been Exposed:
Heretic foams over at the keyboard with oodles of million-mile inline engines, to support the wild assertion that Cummins is a superior and advanced piece of technology compared to a PSD. I suggest that V8's have been around with mega miles too. Heretic says no. So .... I provide him the Dodge-Hemi news article of there 6.5-million mile proven Hemi V8. To which, Heretic replies:
"Good try though. Keep digging."
I laughed so hard I had to change my underwear, and I bit my cigar in two. Oh Heretic .... he he. Man ... what is life without humor, heh?
You have been sharpened by .... The Ironman
Heretic foams over at the keyboard with oodles of million-mile inline engines, to support the wild assertion that Cummins is a superior and advanced piece of technology compared to a PSD. I suggest that V8's have been around with mega miles too. Heretic says no. So .... I provide him the Dodge-Hemi news article of there 6.5-million mile proven Hemi V8. To which, Heretic replies:
"Good try though. Keep digging."
I laughed so hard I had to change my underwear, and I bit my cigar in two. Oh Heretic .... he he. Man ... what is life without humor, heh?
You have been sharpened by .... The Ironman