Methanol/Water Injection
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Originally Posted by BBBxcursion
So yeah, had to order the kit. It's on backorder, should have it in a week or so. Thanks for all the info!
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Here are the details:
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/s...d.php?t=247235
Plan on being there about 8 or 8:30 to meet up with a bunch of the LLSOC.com club members from Dallas....
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/s...d.php?t=247235
Plan on being there about 8 or 8:30 to meet up with a bunch of the LLSOC.com club members from Dallas....
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Originally Posted by jdadamsjr
Here are the details:
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/s...d.php?t=247235
Plan on being there about 8 or 8:30 to meet up with a bunch of the LLSOC.com club members from Dallas....
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/s...d.php?t=247235
Plan on being there about 8 or 8:30 to meet up with a bunch of the LLSOC.com club members from Dallas....
Have fun John!
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Its in...and ITS WICKED!
This meth/h20 system is seriously awesome. Just got it installed today and drove it around. I dont really have any idea how much power I'm getting out of it; but i can tell you this - running washer fluid (20/80 water/meth mix) it feels like running the SCMT on Tow Perf mode. This would be amplified MORE (and will be, as soon as i get to the track at Greer) with the 50/50 mixture. You can feel the power of this creature all the way though the powerband, as soon as the pump kicks on.
The system I have is a 2-stage system with two seperate nozzles and boost settings; nozzles of which are identical. I have the first stage set to kick on at 14 psi boost; the second at 22. The pump pressure is set at about 160, which is just about 5 lbs below the point at which the truck slightly hesitates (sort of a stall, but not quite) when the first stage activates. Installation started very badly and ended smoothly. The most difficult part was mounting the gargantuan pump, it ended up in my console. Actually, the pump, control box, and switch box all ended up in my console. I had an issue with the pump for two reasons; one being nowhere to physically put it, and another with the lenght of the lines. The line from the tank (which is in my toolbox) to the pump is not sufficently long for the pump to be mounted in the engine compartment (tight fit anyways); but the steel braided lines from the pump to the injector nozzles were too short to reach the frame rail on the sides (to mount the pump on the frame rail, it would have had to have been placed on the opposite side of the FCM/HICM under the driver seat frame rail). So, i ended up mounting it in my console, which i personally like better, despite the noisy pump (the pump is only on when the system is actually running, thankfully) I placed both injector nozzles in the plastic boost tube in front of the 90 degree intake elbow on the motor. The boost control installation is nothing more than a simple splice of the line going to the MAP sensor and the boost settings on the ***** for each solenoid control. Everything else (control box, switch box) is simply plug-in. To run the line from the tank to the pump in the console, I ran the line up through the cab vents behind the rear seat and under the carpet, into a hole i drilled in the bottom of the console. You cannot tell the line is present if you dont look closely. I ran the injector-to-pump lines into some NPT fittings I ran out of the console; from there, they pass through the rubber seal on the firewall around the steering shaft (plenty of extra room there).
All of the system adjustments are easy-there are only three- the boost settings of both solenoids, and an overall system pressure regulator on the pump. Simply dial in the boost points, and adjust the pressure to the point where the motor stalls when the pump kicks off, and back the regulator **** off about 1/2 a turn. Switch box has 3 switches; one for overall system power, and the other two for the system engagement of each injection stage. Best of all, only ONE power tap into the entire truck, on a 10 amp circuit.
Ran the system all day today, on and off periodically. The kit came with an 8 gallon tank; i filled it with 5 gallons of washer fluid, and when i pulled in the garage tonight i had about 3/4 gallon left. Not too bad, considering I hit 125 a couple times on I26 coming home from Asheville. The truck has a deeper, more diesel-ish sound to it when the system is on; not to mention a huge amount of power. No problems so far, Ill report back in a few days on its status...
This meth/h20 system is seriously awesome. Just got it installed today and drove it around. I dont really have any idea how much power I'm getting out of it; but i can tell you this - running washer fluid (20/80 water/meth mix) it feels like running the SCMT on Tow Perf mode. This would be amplified MORE (and will be, as soon as i get to the track at Greer) with the 50/50 mixture. You can feel the power of this creature all the way though the powerband, as soon as the pump kicks on.
The system I have is a 2-stage system with two seperate nozzles and boost settings; nozzles of which are identical. I have the first stage set to kick on at 14 psi boost; the second at 22. The pump pressure is set at about 160, which is just about 5 lbs below the point at which the truck slightly hesitates (sort of a stall, but not quite) when the first stage activates. Installation started very badly and ended smoothly. The most difficult part was mounting the gargantuan pump, it ended up in my console. Actually, the pump, control box, and switch box all ended up in my console. I had an issue with the pump for two reasons; one being nowhere to physically put it, and another with the lenght of the lines. The line from the tank (which is in my toolbox) to the pump is not sufficently long for the pump to be mounted in the engine compartment (tight fit anyways); but the steel braided lines from the pump to the injector nozzles were too short to reach the frame rail on the sides (to mount the pump on the frame rail, it would have had to have been placed on the opposite side of the FCM/HICM under the driver seat frame rail). So, i ended up mounting it in my console, which i personally like better, despite the noisy pump (the pump is only on when the system is actually running, thankfully) I placed both injector nozzles in the plastic boost tube in front of the 90 degree intake elbow on the motor. The boost control installation is nothing more than a simple splice of the line going to the MAP sensor and the boost settings on the ***** for each solenoid control. Everything else (control box, switch box) is simply plug-in. To run the line from the tank to the pump in the console, I ran the line up through the cab vents behind the rear seat and under the carpet, into a hole i drilled in the bottom of the console. You cannot tell the line is present if you dont look closely. I ran the injector-to-pump lines into some NPT fittings I ran out of the console; from there, they pass through the rubber seal on the firewall around the steering shaft (plenty of extra room there).
All of the system adjustments are easy-there are only three- the boost settings of both solenoids, and an overall system pressure regulator on the pump. Simply dial in the boost points, and adjust the pressure to the point where the motor stalls when the pump kicks off, and back the regulator **** off about 1/2 a turn. Switch box has 3 switches; one for overall system power, and the other two for the system engagement of each injection stage. Best of all, only ONE power tap into the entire truck, on a 10 amp circuit.
Ran the system all day today, on and off periodically. The kit came with an 8 gallon tank; i filled it with 5 gallons of washer fluid, and when i pulled in the garage tonight i had about 3/4 gallon left. Not too bad, considering I hit 125 a couple times on I26 coming home from Asheville. The truck has a deeper, more diesel-ish sound to it when the system is on; not to mention a huge amount of power. No problems so far, Ill report back in a few days on its status...
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That sounds great.
the only thing I would caution you sbout is running lines and a pump containing a flamable liquid inside the cab. In a wreck that didn't shut off the power, any fire could be fed fuel from the pump inside the cab. Think about it!
the only thing I would caution you sbout is running lines and a pump containing a flamable liquid inside the cab. In a wreck that didn't shut off the power, any fire could be fed fuel from the pump inside the cab. Think about it!
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Originally Posted by PSD 60L Fx4
Its in...and ITS WICKED!
This meth/h20 system is seriously awesome. Just got it installed today and drove it around. I dont really have any idea how much power I'm getting out of it; but i can tell you this - running washer fluid (20/80 water/meth mix) it feels like running the SCMT on Tow Perf mode. This would be amplified MORE (and will be, as soon as i get to the track at Greer) with the 50/50 mixture. You can feel the power of this creature all the way though the powerband, as soon as the pump kicks on.
The system I have is a 2-stage system with two seperate nozzles and boost settings; nozzles of which are identical. I have the first stage set to kick on at 14 psi boost; the second at 22. The pump pressure is set at about 160, which is just about 5 lbs below the point at which the truck slightly hesitates (sort of a stall, but not quite) when the first stage activates. Installation started very badly and ended smoothly. The most difficult part was mounting the gargantuan pump, it ended up in my console. Actually, the pump, control box, and switch box all ended up in my console. I had an issue with the pump for two reasons; one being nowhere to physically put it, and another with the lenght of the lines. The line from the tank (which is in my toolbox) to the pump is not sufficently long for the pump to be mounted in the engine compartment (tight fit anyways); but the steel braided lines from the pump to the injector nozzles were too short to reach the frame rail on the sides (to mount the pump on the frame rail, it would have had to have been placed on the opposite side of the FCM/HICM under the driver seat frame rail). So, i ended up mounting it in my console, which i personally like better, despite the noisy pump (the pump is only on when the system is actually running, thankfully) I placed both injector nozzles in the plastic boost tube in front of the 90 degree intake elbow on the motor. The boost control installation is nothing more than a simple splice of the line going to the MAP sensor and the boost settings on the ***** for each solenoid control. Everything else (control box, switch box) is simply plug-in. To run the line from the tank to the pump in the console, I ran the line up through the cab vents behind the rear seat and under the carpet, into a hole i drilled in the bottom of the console. You cannot tell the line is present if you dont look closely. I ran the injector-to-pump lines into some NPT fittings I ran out of the console; from there, they pass through the rubber seal on the firewall around the steering shaft (plenty of extra room there).
All of the system adjustments are easy-there are only three- the boost settings of both solenoids, and an overall system pressure regulator on the pump. Simply dial in the boost points, and adjust the pressure to the point where the motor stalls when the pump kicks off, and back the regulator **** off about 1/2 a turn. Switch box has 3 switches; one for overall system power, and the other two for the system engagement of each injection stage. Best of all, only ONE power tap into the entire truck, on a 10 amp circuit.
Ran the system all day today, on and off periodically. The kit came with an 8 gallon tank; i filled it with 5 gallons of washer fluid, and when i pulled in the garage tonight i had about 3/4 gallon left. Not too bad, considering I hit 125 a couple times on I26 coming home from Asheville. The truck has a deeper, more diesel-ish sound to it when the system is on; not to mention a huge amount of power. No problems so far, Ill report back in a few days on its status...
This meth/h20 system is seriously awesome. Just got it installed today and drove it around. I dont really have any idea how much power I'm getting out of it; but i can tell you this - running washer fluid (20/80 water/meth mix) it feels like running the SCMT on Tow Perf mode. This would be amplified MORE (and will be, as soon as i get to the track at Greer) with the 50/50 mixture. You can feel the power of this creature all the way though the powerband, as soon as the pump kicks on.
The system I have is a 2-stage system with two seperate nozzles and boost settings; nozzles of which are identical. I have the first stage set to kick on at 14 psi boost; the second at 22. The pump pressure is set at about 160, which is just about 5 lbs below the point at which the truck slightly hesitates (sort of a stall, but not quite) when the first stage activates. Installation started very badly and ended smoothly. The most difficult part was mounting the gargantuan pump, it ended up in my console. Actually, the pump, control box, and switch box all ended up in my console. I had an issue with the pump for two reasons; one being nowhere to physically put it, and another with the lenght of the lines. The line from the tank (which is in my toolbox) to the pump is not sufficently long for the pump to be mounted in the engine compartment (tight fit anyways); but the steel braided lines from the pump to the injector nozzles were too short to reach the frame rail on the sides (to mount the pump on the frame rail, it would have had to have been placed on the opposite side of the FCM/HICM under the driver seat frame rail). So, i ended up mounting it in my console, which i personally like better, despite the noisy pump (the pump is only on when the system is actually running, thankfully) I placed both injector nozzles in the plastic boost tube in front of the 90 degree intake elbow on the motor. The boost control installation is nothing more than a simple splice of the line going to the MAP sensor and the boost settings on the ***** for each solenoid control. Everything else (control box, switch box) is simply plug-in. To run the line from the tank to the pump in the console, I ran the line up through the cab vents behind the rear seat and under the carpet, into a hole i drilled in the bottom of the console. You cannot tell the line is present if you dont look closely. I ran the injector-to-pump lines into some NPT fittings I ran out of the console; from there, they pass through the rubber seal on the firewall around the steering shaft (plenty of extra room there).
All of the system adjustments are easy-there are only three- the boost settings of both solenoids, and an overall system pressure regulator on the pump. Simply dial in the boost points, and adjust the pressure to the point where the motor stalls when the pump kicks off, and back the regulator **** off about 1/2 a turn. Switch box has 3 switches; one for overall system power, and the other two for the system engagement of each injection stage. Best of all, only ONE power tap into the entire truck, on a 10 amp circuit.
Ran the system all day today, on and off periodically. The kit came with an 8 gallon tank; i filled it with 5 gallons of washer fluid, and when i pulled in the garage tonight i had about 3/4 gallon left. Not too bad, considering I hit 125 a couple times on I26 coming home from Asheville. The truck has a deeper, more diesel-ish sound to it when the system is on; not to mention a huge amount of power. No problems so far, Ill report back in a few days on its status...
i haul to ashville quite often!! id love to c ur truck next time im down
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I've been following this thread with a lot of interest. It seems to make a lot of sense. Here's what I don't understand. Why is it OK to use water/methanol injection with a diesel, but it's not OK to put a pint of methanol in 40 gal of diesel fuel to scavenge the water? It seems like both ways would result in atomized droplets of diesel/water/methanol in the combustion chamber.
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Originally Posted by rstephenw
I've been following this thread with a lot of interest. It seems to make a lot of sense. Here's what I don't understand. Why is it OK to use water/methanol injection with a diesel, but it's not OK to put a pint of methanol in 40 gal of diesel fuel to scavenge the water? It seems like both ways would result in atomized droplets of diesel/water/methanol in the combustion chamber.
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From: Hendersonville, NC
Originally Posted by bighoss550
did u notice the exhaust smoke clean up?
i haul to ashville quite often!! id love to c ur truck next time im down
i haul to ashville quite often!! id love to c ur truck next time im down
Lemme know if your ever down this way.
Oh, and with the system lit the exhaust smokes about the same, however it is more of a grey smoke than a black one.
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Originally Posted by bighoss550
john-deere dealership. got the stainless steel nozzle body from the local fertilizer plant. its like a miniature diesel injector, and the end cap/nut is gettin welded to the intake pipe down close to the bottom(sneaky).and my tank is a pro-street type fuel cell (w/ a gauge) thats going where the front fuel tank would be.
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Originally Posted by bighoss550
john-deere dealership. got the stainless steel nozzle body from the local fertilizer plant. its like a miniature diesel injector, and the end cap/nut is gettin welded to the intake pipe down close to the bottom(sneaky).and my tank is a pro-street type fuel cell (w/ a gauge) thats going where the front fuel tank would be.
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From: stoneboro, pa
Originally Posted by Choctaw Bob
I am looking at a 5 gallon fuel cell from Summit that will fit inside my tool box. I have a NOS fogger nozzle. Do you intend to inject yours into the pressureized part of the intake system?
i am putting my nozzle in the pressurized pipe from the i/c to the intake, down at the bottom. thats where the pressure switch will be also.
im not too worried about the dealer seeing it cuz i used to work there and they wont say anything. very small dealership. more of a used car lot actually.
once the service manager had me punch a cat out on a customer car!!!
not too woried about water injection!