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Old Jun 28, 2004 | 07:38 PM
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What program did you use to simulate this?
mr gasket

do u have the desktop dragstrip??
 
Old Jun 28, 2004 | 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by three_bees
Someone here has a car or truck that runs off of windshield wiper fluid???
Is that all it runs off of or do you also have additional fuel like diesel or gasoline.
All the talk about nozzles for spraying the fuel water mixture has anyone thought about an old household oil burner nozzle?
They seem to have a good spray to them.
I am thinking of doing some research at my local library, I would love to have my bronco II run off of Windshield Wiper fluid.
My buddy has built a motorcycle (street bike)that runs off of methanol and his exhaust is unbelieveably cool after racing up and down the streets in my neighborhood. You can actually touch the exhaust pipe and not get burned on the pipe.
Please let me know if you have answers to any of my questions.
I need to find an alternative to such high prices of fuel at the pump here in NJ.
Dennis
No, the vehicles still operate strictly on diesel fuel. The water/methanol mixture is is injected (in a style similar to nitrous oxide) only to chemically cool the combustion process thereby creating a good size power gain, and a drop in overall cylinder and exhaust gas temperature.

Pure methanol can be run as a substitue to gasoline on most gasoline powered vehicles with a few modifications to the fuel system. However, it runs just as much a gallon, if not a little more, than gasoline. For economy, you will not see any gains IMO. Windshield washer fluid cannot be used as internal combustion fuel as it is 80% water, and is not volitile.
 
Old Jun 28, 2004 | 08:07 PM
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Thumbs up Thanks for the quick reply

Thanks again for the quick reply!!
This forum has a lot of great knowledgeable people keep up the great work guys and gals too.
Dennis
 
Old Jun 28, 2004 | 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by PSD 60L Fx4

For economy, you will not see any gains IMO. .
economy is way below on alky.. it takes nearly 3 times as much to make a correct air/fuel mix... bad idea for economy alky is also used in diesels...works pretty well

if u want economy, take an S-10 2wd and put in a deutz air-cooled precombustion turbo diesel about 50hp, and make it hydrostatic. put on skinney tires at about 100psi, and lower the truck. put on a tonneau cover and ur cookin!!! 50-60mpg no problem!!!
 
Old Jun 28, 2004 | 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by bighoss550
mr gasket

do u have the desktop dragstrip??
I have desktop dyno and dragstrip. I didn't know they would simulate diesels with turbos. I guess I need to check. I used them both to set up every race car I've ever had. Very effective tool.
 
Old Jun 28, 2004 | 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Choctaw Bob
I have desktop dyno and dragstrip. I didn't know they would simulate diesels with turbos. I guess I need to check. I used them both to set up every race car I've ever had. Very effective tool.
u cant do diesels but u can build a motor w/ a turbo that makes the same curves as what ur lookin for.

and i use mine all the time. i love the "iterator". very neat... its a tool AND a toy
 
Old Jun 28, 2004 | 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by bighoss550
economy is way below on alky.. it takes nearly 3 times as much to make a correct air/fuel mix... bad idea for economy alky is also used in diesels...works pretty well

if u want economy, take an S-10 2wd and put in a deutz air-cooled precombustion turbo diesel about 50hp, and make it hydrostatic. put on skinney tires at about 100psi, and lower the truck. put on a tonneau cover and ur cookin!!! 50-60mpg no problem!!!
I had thought about this one time. There was a 4 cyl diesel engine you can buy that is self contained that made about 100 HP. I thought about adapting a powerglide with a lockup converter and a 2.73 rear end in a Ranger truck. It would get 50 to 60 MPG.

I think your combination above would net 100 MPG.
 
Old Jun 28, 2004 | 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Choctaw Bob
I had thought about this one time. There was a 4 cyl diesel engine you can buy that is self contained that made about 100 HP. I thought about adapting a powerglide with a lockup converter and a 2.73 rear end in a Ranger truck. It would get 50 to 60 MPG.

I think your combination above would net 100 MPG.
probably would... hydrostatic is as efficient as u can get. no tranny, no gears, no brakes to drag, no spinning parts... no reason the OEM's cant do it! i will finish my S-10 this winter
 
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Old Jun 28, 2004 | 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by bighoss550
probably would... hydrostatic is as efficient as u can get. no tranny, no gears, no brakes to drag, no spinning parts... no reason the OEM's cant do it! i will finish my S-10 this winter
You mean this is a real truck? Where did you get the engine? The transmission?
 
Old Jun 28, 2004 | 09:17 PM
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You mean this is a real truck? Where did you get the engine? The transmission?
engine will either be the 3 cyl air-deutz(effecient) or a 188-D case(power).

im a diesel tech with my own shop, bob...i gather "stuff"

and, what trannsmission? its just an axial piston pump on a plate, centered on an output spline on the crank. no clutch, just a swashplate in the pump, and piston motors splined to the chopped axleshafts also w/ adjustable swashplates.

this truck will top out at 150-160(w/ the case) and have more starting torque than the tires could handle. no need for brakes, just let up on the pedal...

it will be fast enough to beat most cars, and maybe even a 6.0 but set down the governor, and cruise at 75mph gettin 75mpg pretty cool, huh?
 

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Oh Boy...I see a new thread coming...actually a new forum I guess.

HydroTruck...thing.

Yep I can now see the future...clandestine meetings by the Big Three and the BIG Oil guys to take out ChoctawHossPSD, Inc. and their 100 MPG, slammed, HYDROTRUCK.

Now THAT's how you change the world. Two HYDROTRUCKS in every garage. With pop up plasma screen guages too. I would presume. Na...gotta be windshield dsiplay.

I love it.
 
Old Jun 28, 2004 | 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by kw5413
Oh Boy...I see a new thread coming...actually a new forum I guess.

HydroTruck...thing.

Yep I can now see the future...clandestine meetings by the Big Three and the BIG Oil guys to take out ChoctawHossPSD, Inc. and their 100 MPG, slammed, HYDROTRUCK.

Now THAT's how you change the world. Two HYDROTRUCKS in every garage. With pop up plasma screen guages too. I would presume. Na...gotta be windshield dsiplay.

I love it.
Heads up display!
We would run out of junk S-10s before we would run out of customers!
Big, do you have any schetches or engineering dwgs on the driveline? I think the PG with the lockup converter would (planitary)acheive the same thing for about $2,000 per copy new. It would require brakes, of course!
 
Old Jun 28, 2004 | 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by bighoss550
engine will either be the 3 cyl air-deutz(effecient) or a 188-D case(power).

im a diesel tech with my own shop, bob...i gather "stuff"

and, what trannsmission? its just an axial piston pump on a plate, centered on an output spline on the crank. no clutch, just a swashplate in the pump, and piston motors splined to the chopped axleshafts also w/ adjustable swashplates.

this truck will top out at 150-160(w/ the case) and have more starting torque than the tires could handle. no need for brakes, just let up on the pedal...

it will be fast enough to beat most cars, and maybe even a 6.0 but set down the governor, and cruise at 75mph gettin 75mpg pretty cool, huh?
I think my engine was an Izusu. The Case engine, is it light enough? Is it an industrial engine?

With gas being $2+ per gallon, we could combine a deal with the guy in Sherman Texas that rebuilds 70's Cadilacs for people who want BIG cars. This diesel would make one of them get 40 MPG if it wasn't too hard for an old lady to drive.
 
Old Jun 28, 2004 | 09:39 PM
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Well, since this is the water/methanol thread, I guess i can say we should put water injection on this beast. Just running pure water would probably help with the power a little and probably gain some MORE mpg...you know, since 75 ISNT ENOUGH!

One thing though...this is a really sweet idea, and would line your pockets with more $$$ than you could ever spend...but ask yourself this...
Would you sacrifice your PSD SD's and predators for it?
 
Old Jun 28, 2004 | 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Choctaw Bob
Heads up display!
We would run out of junk S-10s before we would run out of customers!
Big, do you have any schetches or engineering dwgs on the driveline? I think the PG with the lockup converter would (planitary)acheive the same thing for about $2,000 per copy new. It would require brakes, of course!
mostly in my head cuz its so simple. but i did draw it up in hydralics class in college. it got me an A+ i'll see if i can dig em up.

it cant have a brake pedal in my design because one foot controls engine speed and one controls the pump output. how would it work w/ the tranny??

and its hard to mate a tranny to a 188 case diesel just a plate on the bellhousing with a hole in the middle and bolt holes
 



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