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Old Nov 5, 2023 | 10:00 PM
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You are correct. The Escape is being discontinued.
 
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Old Nov 6, 2023 | 07:47 AM
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Toyota, Honda, etc. are companies that year after year get the best marks for quality, build, and customer satisfaction. What do they have in common? They're non-union.

Meanwhile the UAW companies are a dumpster fire. Quality issues, parts impossible to get, terrible service departments, low customer satisfaction ratings, etc.

You'd think a company as large as Ford would see this obvious fact and make changes, but I guess they're scared.
 
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Old Nov 6, 2023 | 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by WXboy
Toyota, Honda, etc. are companies that year after year get the best marks for quality, build, and customer satisfaction. What do they have in common? They're non-union.

Meanwhile the UAW companies are a dumpster fire. Quality issues, parts impossible to get, terrible service departments, low customer satisfaction ratings, etc.

You'd think a company as large as Ford would see this obvious fact and make changes, but I guess they're scared.
my local Ford dealer can go suck a lemon for trying to stick me with a surprise 5k mark up on my truck that I ordered via COVP process and they refused to sign the initial order sheet saying the price is the price, and trying to wear me down with a 5 men rotating crew of clowns from the sales department. And this was right after Jim Farley said he wanted to stop dealers from charging markups last year.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/44172/...dealer-markups

My recent process buying a new Toyota was the exact opposite. No price gauging, no nonsense, paid with a check with no hassling from the finance department, and spent a total of 1.5 hours at the dealership.
 
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Old Nov 6, 2023 | 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Y2KW57
You are correct. The Escape is being discontinued.
I'm surprised to hear that especially since the Escape just got a midlife refresh. I did read somewhere that the Edge is on it's way out.
 
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Old Nov 6, 2023 | 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by FishOnOne
I'm surprised to hear that especially since the Escape just got a midlife refresh. I did read somewhere that the Edge is on it's way out.


It's made in the US and has fierce competition from Japanese and Korean competitors assembled in the South or in Mexico. I can see their rationale in not wanting to compete in that space. I always liked the Escape especially the first generation, but it is a mid pack offering at best in a segment that is filled with better choices. It got a refresh because it is a decent selling model in Europe and Asia with shared engineering cost, but the looming electrification mandates in those markets mean there is no point of keeping it alive just for the US.
 
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Old Nov 6, 2023 | 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by twobelugas
my local Ford dealer can go suck a lemon for trying to stick me with a surprise 5k mark up on my truck that I ordered via COVP process and they refused to sign the initial order sheet saying the price is the price, and trying to wear me down with a 5 men rotating crew of clowns from the sales department. And this was right after Jim Farley said he wanted to stop dealers from charging markups last year.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/44172/...dealer-markups

My recent process buying a new Toyota was the exact opposite. No price gauging, no nonsense, paid with a check with no hassling from the finance department, and spent a total of 1.5 hours at the dealership.
GM has been saying that also. Does it work? Nope. Such treatment seems to be dealer to dealer. They squarked about the mark up and GM made all kinds of threats but we both can see, nobody cared.
 
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Old Nov 6, 2023 | 01:35 PM
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I got no issue with using their labor. It's their country and I got no say if they want to grind them up for meat. I don't want them to tell me how to do my things in my country so I don't tell them how they can or cannot do their things. Using your logic of a conflict, we are going to have to have any and every industry here even if it isn't profitable. You got any idea how to do that?
Now why on earth would I know or evan care if you or your company makes a profit. What I do know is that if certain events take place getting anything in or out of that part of the world will be impossible so you figure that one out. Companies or individuals that don't decouple from the CCP may learn a painful lesson... How about you, got any ideas?
 
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Old Nov 6, 2023 | 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Boilermaker374
Now why on earth would I know or evan care if you or your company makes a profit. What I do know is that if certain events take place getting anything in or out of that part of the world will be impossible so you figure that one out. Companies or individuals that don't decouple from the CCP may learn a painful lesson... How about you, got any ideas?
Why? I'm not going to do something if there is no profit. Are you?

You wanna decouple? Easy. Nationalize everything they do. Think that is workable?

MAD. Make something they need like say, Taiwan that they need and you can cut them off if they cut you off. That gets around to what I said before. Do something they can't do.
 
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Old Nov 6, 2023 | 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by twobelugas
It's made in the US and has fierce competition from Japanese and Korean competitors assembled in the South or in Mexico. I can see their rationale in not wanting to compete in that space. I always liked the Escape especially the first generation, but it is a mid pack offering at best in a segment that is filled with better choices. It got a refresh because it is a decent selling model in Europe and Asia with shared engineering cost, but the looming electrification mandates in those markets mean there is no point of keeping it alive just for the US.
Out of curiosity I would like to see a source on this rumor. Here's a report on the Edge but not sure it's legit.

https://fordauthority.com/2023/08/no...aced-by-an-ev/
 
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Old Nov 6, 2023 | 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by FishOnOne
Out of curiosity I would like to see a source on this rumor. Here's a report on the Edge but not sure it's legit.

https://fordauthority.com/2023/08/no...aced-by-an-ev/
word has been around since last year

https://fordauthority.com/2022/06/fo...-cancellation/

And still seems to be the case.

https://electrek.co/2023/08/29/ford-...e-way-new-evs/

The time has come for the gas-powered Ford Escape, Edge, and Transit Connect to ride off into the sunset, according to Automotive News, as the Blue Oval brand makes way for a new generation of EVs.
Ford already killed off the very successful Fiesta in Europe due to emissions rules and EV mandates, there is no future for the Kuga there if a subcompact people mover like the Fiesta can't survive the regulatory onslaught. And they can't justify keeping the Kuga/Escape platform just for the US especially with the LAP being converted to EVs along with Oakville.
 
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Old Nov 6, 2023 | 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by FishOnOne
I'm surprised to hear that especially since the Escape just got a midlife refresh. I did read somewhere that the Edge is on it's way out.
There will not be a 2026 Escape that has an internal combustion engine.

The refresh for the 2023MY already has stuff thrifted out of the 2024 model year, such as the keypad entry. The 2025 model year will be the third and final year of the recent refresh you are referring to.

The Bronco Sport has cannibalized the Escape market in the USA. I've owned an Escape since 2008, and now have a 2011 with almost 440,000 miles on it. I can understand why folks are migrating to the Bronco Sport, due to the simple fact that the Bronco Sport offers more enclosed cargo volume for the same length, size, and platform as the more car-like Escape. While I could care less about the styling, the Bronco Sport looks more like the 2000-2012 versions of the Escape (Mazda Tribute twin and Mercury Mariner twin), instead of the 2013 and up Kuga car-like twin.

When it comes to the vehicle category "sport utility", the Bronco Sport offers more sport, and more utility, than the current version of the Kuga / Escape. When compared, the sales numbers and reviews of these vehicles seem to reflect a commonality with these observations, and could be another reason why Ford planned an escape route from the Escape.

The rumor isn't that the Escape will be discontinued. The rumor is what will replace the Escape. That vehicle is rumored to be all electric.
 
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Old Nov 6, 2023 | 09:16 PM
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I doubt you research any thing you say, You rattle off facts like they are facts, and you probably believe your own lies.

The US now buys most of its steel from.....China. I can't call this but a straight out lie simply can't.

Look pretty far down the list, I am large it for you.


China has been shipping to Canada and Mexico as a way to bypass tariffs. Like money laundering but for goods.
 
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Old Nov 6, 2023 | 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Y2KW57
When it comes to the vehicle category "sport utility", the Bronco Sport offers more sport, and more utility, than the current version of the Kuga / Escape. When compared, the sales numbers and reviews of these vehicles seem to reflect a commonality with these observations, and could be another reason why Ford planned an escape route from the Escape.

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I can't seem to get away from the fleeting sense that you made a runaway pun somewhere in there.

Also, in case the qualitative advantage to the Bronco Sport wasn't enough, it is made in Hermosillo, Mexico.
 
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Old Nov 7, 2023 | 12:22 AM
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Originally Posted by twobelugas
word has been around since last year

https://fordauthority.com/2022/06/fo...-cancellation/

And still seems to be the case.

https://electrek.co/2023/08/29/ford-...e-way-new-evs/



Ford already killed off the very successful Fiesta in Europe due to emissions rules and EV mandates, there is no future for the Kuga there if a subcompact people mover like the Fiesta can't survive the regulatory onslaught. And they can't justify keeping the Kuga/Escape platform just for the US especially with the LAP being converted to EVs along with Oakville.
Thats a shame... And I suspect the fuel economy on the Escape with the 3 cylinder EB engine is pretty good and with a recent refresh to boot. So with both the Edge and Escape in route to the pasture, Ford will be flirting with that slippery slope.
 
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Old Nov 7, 2023 | 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by WXboy
Toyota, Honda, etc. are companies that year after year get the best marks for quality, build, and customer satisfaction. What do they have in common? They're non-union.

Meanwhile the UAW companies are a dumpster fire. Quality issues, parts impossible to get, terrible service departments, low customer satisfaction ratings, etc.

You'd think a company as large as Ford would see this obvious fact and make changes, but I guess they're scared.
There's simply too much drama at the big three and not enough focus on Quality.
 
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