Getting rid of one specific regulation isn't going to clean all those messes completely, and I'm not sure why you would suggest that.

But, across the board deregulation would be a start in the right direction. Less of the sales price would go toward the management/regulator revolving door. Things like unreliable emissions systems could be made more reliable. Manufacturers would have more freedom to hire and fire as they wish. And so on.

Competition is what keeps companies honest. Right now it takes a billionaire to launch a competing manufacturer in the States.

 

LOL. Spoken like somebody who has never worked in a union shop in their life and has no clue about unions outside of "they protect the slugs of the work force" which is one thing that does **** me off about my and other unions...

And I am sure in your mind it has nothing to do with all the companies that have offshored work starting in the 90's with NAFTA and closing plants in the USA... The UAW didnt cause NAFTA... A supposed "labor friendly" democrat president did that...

How many full vehicle assembly plants in Mexico did the big 3 have prior to that time? Im talking plants that built USA destined vehicles, not vehicles built for the Mexican market...

And none of that has anything to do with UAW vs. non UAW work forces because nobody in the USA, union or non union would assemble cars for $3 an hour. It wasnt until NAFTA 2.0 was done a few years ago that Mexico and Canada had to increase their wages a ton in order to qualify to export finished vehicles to the USA.

 

Yet somehow Toyota and Honda have been producing top tier quality vehicles in Ohio, Kentucky, Indiana and Texas for as long as 40+ years now just fine. Some of the Toyota plants in the US made such good cars that they made the perceived J-vin quality premium a thing of the past, before NAFTA was even on the table.

 

My 22 Super Duty was imported twice, she must be a top notch truck than.

 

I have no complaints with my 22 F250 so far. Heck one of my oldest and most trusted car is a UAW product, a Corolla made in NUMMI. If ford and GM cars today are made as well as the NUMMI vehicles I would be very much in favor of the 40% raise proposal.

 

I wasn't suggesting it. I was responding to your post #848 where you wrote "It would be great to see some serious deregulation."
I was simply asking what specific regulation you thought were in the way of contract negotiations, employee morale or build quality? Regulations for emissions have nothing to do with the strike or contract negotiations; the subject of the thread.

 

And none of them were ever union. The workers there are happy without a union... good for them. Would things be better with a union? I dont know.

You said "UAW membership peaked in the late 70's" which is a factual statement... My point was the decline in UAW membership I dont think has anything to do with people leaving the UAW by choice(except if they went to find a different job), but the big 3(along with a **** ton of other industries in the USA, so not singling out the auto manufacturers) went out of their way to offshore everything so they could pay $2 an hour vs. $20 an hour(or whatever)... I dont think there has ever been a vote to decertify the UAW and go either non union or another union... so union members are most likely overall happy with being in the union...

Again your opinion comes from somebody who likely doesnt work in a union shop and never has. MOST union people I know(I work in a completely different industry vs. auto workers) are pretty happy with our representation with obviously a few caveats here and there. What I have found during this whole thing is people are pissed at the money aspect and I dont know why, if its out of jealousy or what. Nobody has talked much about any other contract provisions except the money and a 32 hour work week... its always "those greedy, lazy *******s"... yet "compensation" and "hours of service" are but 2 sections of probably like 15-20 in their contract. What about maternity/paternity leave? If they were asking for 30 days paid leave for either would you shout them down as greedy *******s or would you say "well thats a reasonable position"? I think most people would say "well thats reasonable to want to spend time with a newborn baby"...

 

Clearly your mind is made up and your opinion is pretty set, so let's save some keystrokes and just agree to disagree.

 

I never have and never will work in a union shop. I have seen the wife work in a union shop and I have a pretty decent idea. Plus, I can interact with them all day if I choose to. I didn't hire the union firm because it cost twice as much to lay a gas line. It went over the limit by a foot. As such, it needs 2 people and I had to pay double. Pass.

 

In my careers I have dealt with a range of unions from Teamsters, UAW, Electricians, pipefitters, o Aerospace workers. They run the gamut between good, to eh, to meh.

I don't inherently dismiss unions out right, I fully support them if they care about their reputation and their work, and acts as an integral part of delivering quality work ontime.

But those unions are the small minority these days.

 

Gas line...... Why didn't you do it yourself?


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and that right there is 99% of why our country has gone to **** in the last 7-10+ years...

I dont 1000% agree with you so you well just "agree to disagree" and you cut off any further discussion.

I am ok with you having a different opinion on something than I do, but you are not ok with me having a different opinion than you and thus we cant discuss our differences.

 

I believe having the ability to let others be is a core tenets of what makes this country great.

You have a nice rest of your day now.

 

Quite the opposite I think. “Why our country has gone to…” is more due to the hostility of a heated argument that just leads to name calling, insults, and even violent threats and actions.
Telling someone else that you respect their opinion, but agree to disagree and dropping the subject is a good reflection of the cordial debates of the past generations.

 

Unfortunately, I am seeing less and less of it. So, I disagree with you and consider what you say horsecrap. Fair enough. Why go disrupt your speech? Maybe I should go arrange my own event and counter or dispute what I think is BS in your speech.