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Old Jun 16, 2022 | 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by udsuth78
Check torque on all your fasteners again also. Something is moving, almost certain.

Edit: Brake slide pins and/or dragging caliper may be worth a look too.
I will Jack my truck up off the ground tomorrow and wiggle all my wheels and hubs around. I seriously doubt it has anything to do with the brakes. They are new calipers from last year, new brake pads, new mounting brackets, new slide pins, and new hardware. Maybe a year old or so. Maybe a little more. But I just did my axle conversion recently as you no, and I insured everything was good with the brakes as I assembled. I have brand new calipers mounting brackets and the like ready for a 2000 style hub conversion sitting downstairs. Just haven't bought the hubs yet. But you never know so I will check everything tomorrow. After work anyway. Something has to have come loose. To just change my alignment from a small bump. It was actually a root off of an oak tree sticking into the road. I've headed 100,000 times because you have to hit it to go down her driveway. Nothing that should have knocked my truck out of alignment going at an idle speed. I'll check both wheels off the ground and start wiggling everything after work tomorrow.
 
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Old Jun 17, 2022 | 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Hyakkimaru
Okay, I think we have a problem. Truck was driving great tracking straight and everything and I went to my mom's house cuz she made supper. She has a very bumpy driveway and of course I was going through it at an idle speed but there was one really good bump nothing crazy maybe about as hard as a speed bump but I was going at an idle speed. So nothing special. On the way home my truck is pulling to the right. Which is the side that hit the very small bump. That might not be what I actually cause the problem but, it drove to her house fine. Didn't drive home the same. Do you reckon it's time for tie rods? Do you reckon it's time for tie rods? Maybe tomorrow after work I'll have time to check my toe. If it's out again there's definitely got to be some kind of problem somewhere.
This information together with the video you made earlier makes we wonder if you have something caught between the spring and the spring perch on the right side of the truck. I say this because you have U-bolts that don't stick out as far beyond the nuts on that side, your ride height is higher on that side and stuff is moving around with minor impact. Check fore-aft position of the axle to see if that differs side to side.
 
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Old Jun 17, 2022 | 07:32 PM
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I jacked my truck up by the frame today and took my tires off to check all my bolts and measurements. By the way it was very difficult jacking my truck up with a two and a half ton jack and 2 ft tall Jack stands. My frame sits about 2 ft off the ground so my jack stands maxed out we're nowhere near close enough to keep the tires off the ground. Had to put blocks underneath the jack stands to get them high enough. Even after that, had to take the tires off before I took the Jack out from underneath the axle because the tires were hitting the ground. I didn't want any pressure on the leaf springs so I could check everything to find something loose. I measured from frame to leaf spring on the front, middle, and rear. Everything on both sides is exactly the same. Everything was tight, and everything was even.
I couldn't find anything wrong, out of the ordinary, or loose. Everything seemed fine and everything had the same measurements from one side to the other. I checked my toe in and my tires are 1/16 to 1/8 in out on the back. So ever so slight toe in. Tires were different pressure! ​ Driver side tire had 10 psi more than the other which I guess could explain the pulling to the right. I had just aired my tires up because they were low looking after swapping them from the rear to the front. Everything looks fine. Going to go for a ride and see if it's still pulls to the right.
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Old Jun 17, 2022 | 08:58 PM
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After adjusting tire Air pressure, truck no longer pulls to the right. Along with that as you may have read right before this post, everything else has all the same measurements. My tire should quit wearing now! All I can do now is drive it and see!
 
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Old Jun 17, 2022 | 10:05 PM
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Keep an eye on that air pressure. If it went down that quickly you may have a leak that needs repaired.

I watched the video. Unfortunately didn’t see anything jump out at me. Maybe compare the arch on the springs side to side?

So, everything checks out as tight…
Either the shop left something loose or we are overlooking something. No way should the tow change after just a little driving. Something is moving around on you.

Which leads me to probably an unpopular statement.
What about all the funky brackets for the lift kit? You have plenty of extra bolt ons and moving parts compared to a stock truck.
Bracket bent?
Bolts moving around?
Play inside the bushings? You have an extra set on there with the kit.

Personally I would have canned the lift before even starting this project. I’m sorry, I know you like it (and it’s your truck to do as you like), but that thing has been nothing but headaches for you.
If it keeps wearing the tires maybe consider taking the lift off for a while to test if it’s those parts? Of course that would likely throw you right back into needing an alignment, but shoot if it’s already wearing the tires I guess it would need another one anyhow.

I noticed this drivers side bracket in the video and thought it was leaning to the outside. But then when you went in at another angle it appeared straight. Probably just an illusion.


Edit: not the spring clamp, the hanger for the leaf spring.
 
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Old Jun 17, 2022 | 10:45 PM
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In the span of dinner it went from tracking straight to not, until you drooped the suspension completely and aired 1 tire 10 psi. Me thinks we haven't seen the conclusion of this particular saga.
 
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Old Jun 18, 2022 | 05:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Hyakkimaru
I jacked my truck up by the frame today and took my tires off to check all my bolts and measurements. By the way it was very difficult jacking my truck up with a two and a half ton jack and 2 ft tall Jack stands. My frame sits about 2 ft off the ground so my jack stands maxed out we're nowhere near close enough to keep the tires off the ground. Had to put blocks underneath the jack stands to get them high enough. Even after that, had to take the tires off before I took the Jack out from underneath the axle because the tires were hitting the ground. I didn't want any pressure on the leaf springs so I could check everything to find something loose. I measured from frame to leaf spring on the front, middle, and rear. Everything on both sides is exactly the same. Everything was tight, and everything was even.
I couldn't find anything wrong, out of the ordinary, or loose. Everything seemed fine and everything had the same measurements from one side to the other. I checked my toe in and my tires are 1/16 to 1/8 in out on the back. So ever so slight toe in. Tires were different pressure! ​ Driver side tire had 10 psi more than the other which I guess could explain the pulling to the right. I had just aired my tires up because they were low looking after swapping them from the rear to the front. Everything looks fine. Going to go for a ride and see if it's still pulls to the right.
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I noticed you edited this post and took out the info about having completely shot tie rods?
 
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Old Jun 18, 2022 | 06:03 AM
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I noticed you edited this post and took out the info about having completely shot tie rods?
Well I had a helper with me..... We ended up switching places and I got under the truck. Had him jiggle the wheel with the truck running. I couldn't find any play in any of the tie rods anywhere. I kind of jumped the gun when I posted that which is why I quickly edited it.
 
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Old Jun 18, 2022 | 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Hyakkimaru
Well I had a helper with me..... We ended up switching places and I got under the truck. Had him jiggle the wheel with the truck running. I couldn't find any plane any of the tie rods anywhere. I kind of jumped the gun when I posted that which is why I quickly edited it.
Did you do that method with the weight on the wheels as well? That may show more play in the tie rods
 
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Old Jun 18, 2022 | 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by RacinJasonWV
Keep an eye on that air pressure. If it went down that quickly you may have a leak that needs repaired.

The reason the pressure was wrong was because that tire was on the rear and it was on a different truck before it was on mine so the tire pressure was set for a different / smaller truck. The guy that had it I believe had an F-150. I haven't checked air pressure since I put them on after buying them. I know, stupid mistake.

Also, the whole pulling to the right thing was just me being paranoid. In the heat of the moment, I was worried because I was pulling to the right but I didn't realize what road I was on. The main Alabama coastal connection (98) between my mom's house and my house is so bad that every time you ride on it you think you have a flat tire. They repaved it but it is just so messed up. I'm not even exaggerating, every time you ride on it in any vehicle you swear one of your tires is flat flapping on the road because there's so many bumps and the road is so uneven. My dad as well as me have caught ourselves pulling over worried that one of our tires is flat to not have any problem. They seriously screwed up that portion between my house and my mom's house big time. I usually don't take that road home. I usually take the back roads and jam to music. My truck is not pulling to the right anymore and my toe in is still set. I verified this with a measuring tape yesterday twice. Once with the tires off and once with them on. That funky road made me get paranoid and look for problems in my truck. I went for another ride yesterday and the truck on any other road besides 98, is not pulling at all.


I watched the video. Unfortunately didn’t see anything jump out at me. Maybe compare the arch on the springs side to side?

I did that while I had everything off. Both springs are exactly the same. Verified via measuring tape.

So, everything checks out as tight…
Either the shop left something loose or we are overlooking something. No way should the tow change after just a little driving. Something is moving around on you.

Toe in is still set.

Which leads me to probably an unpopular statement.
What about all the funky brackets for the lift kit? You have plenty of extra bolt ons and moving parts compared to a stock truck.
Bracket bent?
Bolts moving around?
Play inside the bushings? You have an extra set on there with the kit.

I checked all of that too. Checked all of mine bushings on both the leaf springs, leaf spring hangers, and on the lift kit. I also did check the lift kit brackets for being bent. Of course I verified everything with a measuring tape. I couldn't find any problems.

Personally I would have canned the lift before even starting this project. I’m sorry, I know you like it (and it’s your truck to do as you like), but that thing has been nothing but headaches for you.
If it keeps wearing the tires maybe consider taking the lift off for a while to test if it’s those parts? Of course that would likely throw you right back into needing an alignment, but shoot if it’s already wearing the tires I guess it would need another one anyhow.

The main reason I didn't can the lift kit was because I already had the axle bolted on and had everything done when we discovered it had a lift kit. I did not want to take everything back loose and buy a bunch of extra parts to convert back to a stock height truck and I kind of like to the way the truck looked.

But, even after all of that being said, if I still wear tires, I will revert back to stock height for a little while and see what happens. I may like it better that way anyway.



I noticed this drivers side bracket in the video and thought it was leaning to the outside. But then when you went in at another angle it appeared straight. Probably just an illusion.


Edit: not the spring clamp, the hanger for the leaf spring.
We will see how it goes. I'm probably going to drive around a bunch today and pick up some chalk so I can set tire pressure and see if it proves any wearing issues. what kind of chalk do you use on the tires? Just regular sidewalk chalk and draw on it?
 
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Old Jun 18, 2022 | 06:20 AM
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Did you do that method with the weight on the wheels as well? That may show more play in the tie rods
Not this go round. After I took it to the shop the first time I've never checked toe in myself except for yesterday. I checked it while I had the wheels off and the truck jacked up by the frame and I checked it again after putting the wheels back on and turning the wheel a bit and straightening. Toe in is still set. And the truck is not pulling to the right. Look at the other post I just posted and you will see that I was just being paranoid. I was driving down one of the worst roads around here that always makes you think you have flat tires and always makes you truck pull to one side or the other because it's so uneven and so jacked up. I usually don't take that road home so it was weird. That's part of why I don't like taking that road though because it's so jacked up. My dad and I have both caught ourselves stopping thinking we have flat tires because the road is so bad. More info in the other post I posted right before this one responding to racinJason
 
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Old Jun 18, 2022 | 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Hyakkimaru
So, everything checks out as tight…
Either the shop left something loose or we are overlooking something. No way should the toe change after just a little driving. Something is moving around on you.

Toe in is still set.
I meant when the shop checked it last.

Originally Posted by Hyakkimaru
We will see how it goes. I'm probably going to drive around a bunch today and pick up some chalk so I can set tire pressure and see if it proves any wearing issues. what kind of chalk do you use on the tires? Just regular sidewalk chalk and draw on it?
I don’t know, never tried it. Sounds like it may work though. A grease pencil type maybe be more “sticky”. I think the chalk would be better depending on how much you plan to drive before checking the pattern.


So, what was the pressure in the worn tire?

I still think you have something moving around unless the alignment shop had left something loose.
 
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Old Jun 18, 2022 | 06:51 AM
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I meant when the shop checked it last.



I don’t know, never tried it. Sounds like it may work though. A grease pencil type maybe be more “sticky”. I think the chalk would be better depending on how much you plan to drive before checking the pattern.


So, what was the pressure in the worn tire?

I still think you have something moving around unless the alignment shop had left something loose.
The worn tire was at 35 PSI. I really don't know what all to think about this. Everything checked out exactly the same and toe in was still set. There isn't a whole lot I can do but drive it and see what happens. When I took it back to the shop they say it was out of alignment again. I don't know how that happened. Maybe they left the adjustment collar loose? I should probably double check that after this time as well. I really don't know though. Not really sure where to go from here except to put some chalk on the tire and visually inspect how it is wearing. As always I appreciate everybody's help, input, and ideas! Keep them coming!
 
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Originally Posted by Hyakkimaru
The worn tire was at 35 PSI. I really don't know what all to think about this. Everything checked out exactly the same and toe in was still set. There isn't a whole lot I can do but drive it and see what happens. When I took it back to the shop they say it was out of alignment again. I don't know how that happened. Maybe they left the adjustment collar loose? I should probably double check that after this time as well. I really don't know though. Not really sure where to go from here except to put some chalk on the tire and visually inspect how it is wearing. As always I appreciate everybody's help, input, and ideas! Keep them coming!
35 PSI is too low, you know that already. What did you inflate the tires to?

The alignment shop could have told you the moon was too close to the Earth this time of year, which would wear your tires abnormally. They likely told you "alignment was off again" to give you that bit of (false perhaps) confidence that they did their job exactly as you asked and paid them to do. People make mistakes and the mistake may or may not have been on their part.

Either way, that is water under the bridge and you are not able to go back to that shop with the truck, so let's see how you get right from "can't get right".

I looked back at the post alignment paperwork in post #11, I didn't see where they may have checked the tire pressure.

I believe you installed some MT (mud terrain) tires on which wear quickly anyway on hard surfaces like asphalt, concrete and gravel will eat them up. MT that are not inflated properly will most definitely wear abnormally. A bad alignment will abnormally wear tires too.
 
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Old Jun 18, 2022 | 08:33 AM
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35 PSI is too low, you know that already. What did you inflate the tires to?

I'm about to go pick up some chalk in a little bit. I aired them up to 50-60 psi.

The alignment shop could have told you the moon was too close to the Earth this time of year, which would wear your tires abnormally. They likely told you "alignment was off again" to give you that bit of (false perhaps) confidence that they did their job exactly as you asked and paid them to do. People make mistakes and the mistake may or may not have been on their part.

There's no telling what I actually happened. They may have just said that to make me feel better.
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Either way, that is water under the bridge and you are not able to go back to that shop with the truck, so let's see how you get right from "can't get right".

I looked back at the post alignment paperwork in post #11, I didn't see where they may have checked the tire pressure.

They didn't say anything about checking tire pressure. I thought all of these things would have been included at a good shop when you went in to have some front end wearing issues sorted out. Especially after I told them to do a full inspection on the front end.


I believe you installed some MT (mud terrain) tires on which wear quickly anyway on hard surfaces like asphalt, concrete and gravel will eat them up. MT that are not inflated properly will most definitely wear abnormally. A bad alignment will abnormally wear tires too.
Yes, the rims and tires combo I bought from a buddy of my boss had Toyo Open terrain MT tires on with plenty of tread left. I've decided that once these tires were out I'm going to go back to my 16-in rims. These tires rub the leaf springs due to the rims being off a 2012 - 2016 f250 or f350. I'm going to go back to the plan I had before. But I'm going to wear these tires out first for sure.
 
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