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Old Jan 23, 2018 | 03:18 PM
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Wait -- there's still a chip in the picture? REMOVE it. Don't just set it to stock, get it completely out of the picture.
 
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Old Jan 23, 2018 | 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by madpogue
Wait -- there's still a chip in the picture? REMOVE it. Don't just set it to stock, get it completely out of the picture.
i agree, remove the chip and try it that way
 
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Old Jan 23, 2018 | 04:33 PM
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I have been following this thread and I believe it is either bad NEW IPR or weak HPOP.. You could block off the oil lines and deadhead the HPOP and check ICP. One other possibility is the IPR is not getting voltage at the connector.
If still low there is a test plug that can be inserted in place of the IPR and check just the HPOP with out the IPR
https://www.accuratediesel.com/shop/259.html
well before I was getting no smoke or anything unless I unplugged the icp sensor which I would assume was because the ipr pigtail was wired incorrectly now upon fixing that and putting all new seals on the hpop I have smoke and it wants to fire but won' because the level is not correct and this is while the icp is plugged in. Ever since the truck started the one time and I had to keep it running by giving it throttle it hasn't even wanted to fire just cranks fast and produces smoke but will not fire up again
 
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Old Jan 23, 2018 | 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by madpogue
Wait -- there's still a chip in the picture? REMOVE it. Don't just set it to stock, get it completely out of the picture.
yes the chip had been hooked back up but the truck fired with the chip? I will remove it this weekend and retry
 
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Old Jan 23, 2018 | 06:24 PM
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yes the chip had been hooked back up but the truck fired with the chip? I will remove it this weekend and retry
this is tonight's readings just a quick shot at it not having time but rpms are low.
 
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Old Jan 23, 2018 | 07:56 PM
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That injector pulse width makes sense if it's microseconds. It would be . 4 milliseconds, which makes sense.

If there is a chip in the equation, step one should have been to remove it from the PCM. Don't just unplug the switch, remove the chip from the PCM. I didn't realize the truck was chipped or I would have suggested that long ago.
 
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Old Jan 23, 2018 | 09:26 PM
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That injector pulse width makes sense if it's microseconds. It would be . 4 milliseconds, which makes sense.

If there is a chip in the equation, step one should have been to remove it from the PCM. Don't just unplug the switch, remove the chip from the PCM. I didn't realize the truck was chipped or I would have suggested that long ago.
I will do so this weekend I posted new readings above. My question is why would everything start to go up now but rpms are dropping.
 
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Old Jan 23, 2018 | 09:41 PM
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My question is why would everything start to go up now but rpms are dropping.
Batteries getting weak. Temp dropping (presumably EOT aprx. = outside temp).
 
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Old Jan 23, 2018 | 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by madpogue
Batteries getting weak. Temp dropping (presumably EOT aprx. = outside temp).
ok so colder temp than yesterday batts drop and so does tach but hpop goes up almost to fire rate? Why would the colder weather and thicker oil cause a better chance of the truck starting?
 
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Old Jan 24, 2018 | 05:55 AM
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It's easier to create pressure with cold oil. Not as easy to pump it, but it's thicker so it resists pumping, making it easier to create more pressure.
 
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Old Jan 24, 2018 | 05:58 AM
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It's easier to create pressure with cold oil. Not as easy to pump it, but it's thicker so it resists pumping, making it easier to create more pressure.
so does that point at the hpop? If I get that kind of response but can't while it's warm
 
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Old Jan 24, 2018 | 06:02 AM
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Not necessarily. It could just as easily be leaking injector o-rings or the IPR.

I really don't think there is much else for us to do here until you pull that chip out and try it. You should be able to do it without removing the PCM. Three 12mm (I think) nuts to remove the emergency brake pedal, and you should be able to pull the chip with the PCM in the truck.

The other troubleshooting steps to pinpoint either a HPO leak or a bad HPOP will all be more involved and difficult than pulling the chip, and had we known there was a chip, we would likely have suggested that first. A loose or faulty chip is one of the most frequent causes of a no-start.
 
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Old Jan 24, 2018 | 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by DIYMechanic
Not necessarily. It could just as easily be leaking injector o-rings or the IPR.

I really don't think there is much else for us to do here until you pull that chip out and try it. You should be able to do it without removing the PCM. Three 12mm (I think) nuts to remove the emergency brake pedal, and you should be able to pull the chip with the PCM in the truck.

The other troubleshooting steps to pinpoint either a HPO leak or a bad HPOP will all be more involved and difficult than pulling the chip, and had we known there was a chip, we would likely have suggested that first. A loose or faulty chip is one of the most frequent causes of a no-start.
the injectors were done early 2017 I've pulled one valve cover and everything looked good underneath. The ipr is new and now that it is wired correctly I've been getting response from it not saying either of those could be an issue but imo I think everything there is fine. I have had the truck apart and back together now numerous times. I will try pulling the chip and see what that does when I have the time we have been super busy at work due to the ground thawing out. So it's hit and miss when I can get the time right now.
 
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Old Jan 24, 2018 | 07:22 AM
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the injectors were done early 2017 I've pulled one valve cover and everything looked good underneath. The ipr is new and now that it is wired correctly I've been getting response from it not saying either of those could be an issue but imo I think everything there is fine. I have had the truck apart and back together now numerous times. I will try pulling the chip and see what that does when I have the time we have been super busy at work due to the ground thawing out. So it's hit and miss when I can get the time right now.
I can get the hpop to hit around 470 but the rpms are only hitting 150 so should I change out the cps again
 
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Old Jan 24, 2018 | 11:17 AM
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No, a new CPS won't make it rev faster. You need to charge the batteries.

And actually, 150 RPM should be juuuuuust enough to start it.
 
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