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Old Sep 7, 2016 | 09:10 PM
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David - What are you trying to say with the last post?
The last one I was asking you for help? When everything is hooked up like normal and I try to start the truck with the ignition I have no power to the coil but if I take the small red/white wire off the solenoid, turn the key on to run and use a screwdriver to jump the solenoid then it will start. I posted the diagram from your site to try and use for reference.
 
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This is complex as I don't know what your plans are. And, I get lost trying to address your statements/concerns. So, instead of trying to get my head inside your head, let me tell you what you need:
  • Batt connection on coil: You need to use the White/Light Blue wire shown going to the coil on Page 27 here: Start & Ignition - ???Gary's Garagemahal
  • The negative side of the coil should be the Dark Green/Yellow wire that goes both to the DS-II module and to the tach - as shown on Page 26 in the above link.
  • The neutral safety switch wiring is Red/Light Blue, also shown on those pages
  • I would leave the extra wires you aren't using and put a piece of adhesive-lined heat-shrink on each one to both seal it off from the elements and to prevent any shorts. Tie up long wires with a zip tie.
Here you described what wires should go where but I never did anything with the red/lt blue wire for the neutral safety switch. I am not sure where to use it.
 
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Old Sep 7, 2016 | 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by maverick600
The last one I was asking you for help? When everything is hooked up like normal and I try to start the truck with the ignition I have no power to the coil but if I take the small red/white wire off the solenoid, turn the key on to run and use a screwdriver to jump the solenoid then it will start. I posted the diagram from your site to try and use for reference.
Ok, let's take this one step at a time:
  1. "I try to start the truck with the ignition" That means with the ignition switch - right?
  2. "I have no power to the coil" Do you mean there is no power to the ignition coil? Or the solenoid's coil?
  3. "turn the key on to run and use a screwdriver to jump the solenoid then it will start" So, what you are saying is that you probably do have power to the ignition coil in Run, but you don't have any power to the solenoid's coil. Right?
If #3 is correct, then we do probably have a problem with the NSS. So, remind me what state the NSS wiring and the NSS itself is in?
 
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Old Sep 7, 2016 | 09:31 PM
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Ok, let's take this one step at a time:
  1. "I try to start the truck with the ignition" That means with the ignition switch - right?
  2. "I have no power to the coil" Do you mean there is no power to the ignition coil? Or the solenoid's coil?
  3. "turn the key on to run and use a screwdriver to jump the solenoid then it will start" So, what you are saying is that you probably do have power to the ignition coil in Run, but you don't have any power to the solenoid's coil. Right?
If #3 is correct, then we do probably have a problem with the NSS. So, remind me what state the NSS wiring and the NSS itself is in?
1. Yes with the ignition switch.
2. Ignition coil
3. Using a test light and placing it on the - side of the coil, while trying to crank the truck with the solenoid hooked up correctly the light does not flash but when jumping the solenoid the light flashes.
 
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Old Sep 7, 2016 | 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by maverick600
...but when jumping the solenoid the light flashes.
Define "jumping the solenoid." Are you jumping the two large terminals - where the battery & starter motor connect? Or are you jumping between the battery + side and the small screw terminal where the red/light-blue wire connects?
 
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Old Sep 7, 2016 | 09:53 PM
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Define "jumping the solenoid." Are you jumping the two large terminals - where the battery & starter motor connect? Or are you jumping between the battery + side and the small screw terminal where the red/light-blue wire connects?
The battery + side to the small screw terminal.
 
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Old Sep 7, 2016 | 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by maverick600
1. Yes with the ignition switch.
2. Ignition coil
3. Using a test light and placing it on the - side of the coil, while trying to crank the truck with the solenoid hooked up correctly the light does not flash but when jumping the solenoid the light flashes.
Jumping the solenoid like you said, from the battery terminal to the small terminal with the red/light blue wire disconnected cannot put power to the ignition coil. So, since the engine starts, power was already there. In fact, if you were to put one side of the test light on the + side of the coil and then the other side to ground you could confirm that.

So, the issue is not with the ignition coil but with the NSS wiring. So, tell me what has been done there?
 
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Old Sep 8, 2016 | 05:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Gary Lewis
Jumping the solenoid like you said, from the battery terminal to the small terminal with the red/light blue wire disconnected cannot put power to the ignition coil. So, since the engine starts, power was already there. In fact, if you were to put one side of the test light on the + side of the coil and then the other side to ground you could confirm that.

So, the issue is not with the ignition coil but with the NSS wiring. So, tell me what has been done there?
Yes, there is power then, its when the red/lt blue wire is hooked up and I am using the ignition switch to try and start it that there is no power.
 
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Old Sep 8, 2016 | 07:17 AM
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.....So, remind me what state the NSS wiring and the NSS itself is in?
Originally Posted by Gary Lewis
....So, the issue is not with the ignition coil but with the NSS wiring. So, tell me what has been done there?
Dare I ask again? Has anything been done to the NSS wiring?
 
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Old Sep 8, 2016 | 07:26 AM
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Dare I ask again? Has anything been done to the NSS wiring?
I have not touched any of the wiring to the transmission at all. I plan on getting under it today to make sure it is all intact.
 
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Old Sep 8, 2016 | 07:48 AM
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Ok, then here's what the wiring should look like:


 
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Old Sep 8, 2016 | 07:52 AM
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Ok, then here's what the wiring should look like:


I did see that on your site. Can I jump the 2 wires for the NSS together to see if the switch is bad in order to diagnose that that is my problem?
 

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Old Sep 8, 2016 | 08:16 AM
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Yes, jumper the two wires to bypass the switch.
 
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Ok well I jumped the 2 red/lt blue wires together and the truck will not turn over at all as if the red/lt blue wire was not connected at the solenoid
 
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Old Sep 8, 2016 | 03:43 PM
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Do you have a jumper in place where the clutch pedal would be?

Have you properly adjusted the ignition switch? (Someone *just* had this problem on the forum. It was out by 1/16")
 
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