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Old Oct 2, 2016 | 03:13 PM
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I vote for using a return line, electric motors will burn out faster when under continuous over-stress conditions.
After thinking about it I am wondering if it is just because I had the key on today without the truck running while working on the electric windows.

The pump provides 4 psi to the Edelbrock carb, they would like 5.5 psi going to it and I was worried about not enough pressure. I have been using the truck on and off for a month now and today is the first time I have noticed this.

If I had been using the stock high pressure fuel pump that comes with the truck I could understand needing the return line because it would be providing more pressure than is needed but since mine is providing "less" than the manufacturer specifies then I did/do not see the need for the return line other than for what had happened to me today.
 
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Old Oct 2, 2016 | 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by maverick600
After thinking about it I am wondering if it is just because I had the key on today without the truck running while working on the electric windows.

The pump provides 4 psi to the Edelbrock carb, they would like 5.5 psi going to it and I was worried about not enough pressure. I have been using the truck on and off for a month now and today is the first time I have noticed this.

If I had been using the stock high pressure fuel pump that comes with the truck I could understand needing the return line because it would be providing more pressure than is needed but since mine is providing "less" than the manufacturer specifies then I did/do not see the need for the return line other than for what had happened to me today.
David, where is the electric pump mounted now before the switching valve or after it?
I am trying to figure how the pump could fill the other tank and need to know where the pump is in the system.
Dave ----
 
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Old Oct 2, 2016 | 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by maverick600
Both tanks go to the switching valve to the pump to the filter to the carb. I had thought about using 2 pumps but Gary helped me with this and it made more sense.
Here it is or....
Carb - fuel filter - pump - switch valve - fuel tanks
 
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Old Oct 2, 2016 | 04:34 PM
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Remind us what pump you are using. I believe some pumps can be dead-headed, but need to research that.
 
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Old Oct 2, 2016 | 04:40 PM
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Remind us what pump you are using. I believe some pumps can be dead-headed, but need to research that.
I dont remember specifics Gary, you had suggested it to me. I will have to look through receipts or the thread to find which one it was but I believe it was from summit.

Here it is : https://www.summitracing.com/parts/c...QdMaAp-18P8HAQ
 

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Old Oct 2, 2016 | 04:59 PM
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You dont understand the difference between pressure and volume.
 
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Old Oct 2, 2016 | 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by ArdWrknTrk
You dont understand the difference between pressure and volume.
Not sure where you are going with that, but I do understand - pressure = voltage and volume is amps.

Anyway, my searches are finding lots of people saying they run their electric fuel pump deadheaded. However, I'm not finding anyone saying how they run that particular pump - which appears to be the Carotor pump shown here. But, none of the links on that page explain how the pump should be used. So, for that I'd call Carter tomorrow if it was my pump.
 
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Old Oct 2, 2016 | 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by ArdWrknTrk
You dont understand the difference between pressure and volume.
higher psi = lower volume
lower psi = more volume

I've been a firefighter for over 20 years so I damn sure do understand the difference and I have just about had enough of your bull**** attitude throughout this whole thread. If you don't have anything constructive or helpful to add other than your condescending comments then please just ignore it and move on to someone else's thread.
 
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Old Oct 2, 2016 | 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by maverick600
Here it is or....
Carb - fuel filter - pump - switch valve - fuel tanks
OK guys tell me how with the way David has his system set up that the pump could put any thing from 1 tank to the other, dead headed or not??????


The pump is after the switching valve so if it is pumping how would it back flow thru the switching valve to the other tank??


Now I can see if 1 tank was not vented and in the heat of the day the tank built up pressure and forced fuel into the other tank?


So guys how did the fuel get to the other tank?
Dave ----
 
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Old Oct 2, 2016 | 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by maverick600
...I have just about had enough of your bull**** attitude throughout this whole thread. If you don't have anything constructive or helpful to add other than your condescending comments then please just ignore it and move on to someone else's thread.
maverick, please re-think this, try and use a different tone of voice in your head when reading Jim's posts as I'm absolutely certain he isn't trying to be condescending or in any way less than helpful. Written text doesn't have the benefit of voice inflection or facial expression and it can be easy to misunderstand something written by somebody. But Jim is one of the best guys here and is only trying to help... so take a breather and read his posts using a different tone of voice/attitude in your head, OK? If you're still irked by his posts you may come across, you can add him to your Ignore List in your UserCP and you'll never see anything from him ever again.
 
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Old Oct 2, 2016 | 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by FuzzFace2
OK guys tell me how with the way David has his system set up that the pump could put any thing from 1 tank to the other, dead headed or not??????


The pump is after the switching valve so if it is pumping how would it back flow thru the switching valve to the other tank??


Now I can see if 1 tank was not vented and in the heat of the day the tank built up pressure and forced fuel into the other tank?


So guys how did the fuel get to the other tank?
Dave ----
I agree.


Originally Posted by ctubutis
maverick, please re-think this, try and use a different tone of voice in your head when reading Jim's posts as I'm absolutely certain he isn't trying to be condescending or in any way less than helpful. Written text doesn't have the benefit of voice inflection or facial expression and it can be easy to misunderstand something written by somebody. But Jim is one of the best guys here and is only trying to help... so take a breather and read his posts using a different tone of voice/attitude in your head, OK? If you're still irked by his posts you may come across, you can add him to your Ignore List in your UserCP and you'll never see anything from him ever again.
Amen! Well said, Chris. Jim is a friend of mine and I don't feel welcome if he isn't.
 
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Old Oct 3, 2016 | 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by ctubutis
maverick, please re-think this, try and use a different tone of voice in your head when reading Jim's posts as I'm absolutely certain he isn't trying to be condescending or in any way less than helpful. Written text doesn't have the benefit of voice inflection or facial expression and it can be easy to misunderstand something written by somebody. But Jim is one of the best guys here and is only trying to help... so take a breather and read his posts using a different tone of voice/attitude in your head, OK? If you're still irked by his posts you may come across, you can add him to your Ignore List in your UserCP and you'll never see anything from him ever again.
I do agree that written text can be misconstrued in the wrong way and maybe I did take it in the wrong way.
 
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Old Oct 3, 2016 | 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Gary Lewis
Not sure where you are going with that, but I do understand - pressure = voltage and volume is amps.

Anyway, my searches are finding lots of people saying they run their electric fuel pump deadheaded. However, I'm not finding anyone saying how they run that particular pump - which appears to be the Carotor pump shown here. But, none of the links on that page explain how the pump should be used. So, for that I'd call Carter tomorrow if it was my pump.
I will have to take your suggestion and call. I forgot today.
 
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Originally Posted by Gary Lewis
Not sure where you are going with that, but I do understand - pressure = voltage and volume is amps.

Anyway, my searches are finding lots of people saying they run their electric fuel pump deadheaded. However, I'm not finding anyone saying how they run that particular pump - which appears to be the Carotor pump shown here. But, none of the links on that page explain how the pump should be used. So, for that I'd call Carter tomorrow if it was my pump.
From what I have read, a return line is not needed for the Carter pumps but I will call the tech line tomorrow just to make sure. I believe that since I had the key on working with my electric windows that since the pump was running with out the engine running, that caused it to back flow somehow in to the tank it was not pulling from.
 
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I don't think it should backflow into the other tank. In fact, I don't think it should backflow at all. So, I'd call Carter's tech line and explain what is happening, how you have it set up, etc.
 
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