Why a coolant filter can damage your engine?
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Newb here, lurked a bit, but almost made mistake of getting SCA filter and happened to read this post while waiting in line...appreciate the forum and advice.
Will be posting more as ext warranty just ended and had 2nd round of EGR cooler/Valve/oil cooler/turbo center section done on my '06 (still some problems, but on 4th round with dealer and about to give up on them altogether, but that's another post). Now moving to the delete/tuner/studs/HPOP and other mods as I educate myself more.
Anyway, just wished had gotten here sooner
Will be posting more as ext warranty just ended and had 2nd round of EGR cooler/Valve/oil cooler/turbo center section done on my '06 (still some problems, but on 4th round with dealer and about to give up on them altogether, but that's another post). Now moving to the delete/tuner/studs/HPOP and other mods as I educate myself more.
Anyway, just wished had gotten here sooner
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Here is a link to the discussion that pacnorwest referred to:
Will Bulletproof Oil Cooler REALLY end this NIGHTMARE once and for all?
If you read through it, you will see that Zmann made an argument that coolant filters are beneficial but acknowledged that coolant maintenance is the main issue. The other side argued that coolant filters give their customers a sense of complacency where they might think coolant maintenance isn't necessary... I think that is the only reason stated that made any kind of sense where coolant filters were a problem, complacency.
Bottom line (as I understood it): Coolant maintenance is critical as silica sand fallout clogs oil coolers. Coolant filters help trap SOME of the silicate from degraded coolant but not all of it. Key being to ensure you maintain your coolant (additives and/or change out as necessary) BEFORE it breaks down with resulting silica sand drop out. After it begins to break down and show drop-out it is too late to save the coolant and the filter would only then serve to catch (some of) the resulting debris of failed coolant.
Will Bulletproof Oil Cooler REALLY end this NIGHTMARE once and for all?
If you read through it, you will see that Zmann made an argument that coolant filters are beneficial but acknowledged that coolant maintenance is the main issue. The other side argued that coolant filters give their customers a sense of complacency where they might think coolant maintenance isn't necessary... I think that is the only reason stated that made any kind of sense where coolant filters were a problem, complacency.
Bottom line (as I understood it): Coolant maintenance is critical as silica sand fallout clogs oil coolers. Coolant filters help trap SOME of the silicate from degraded coolant but not all of it. Key being to ensure you maintain your coolant (additives and/or change out as necessary) BEFORE it breaks down with resulting silica sand drop out. After it begins to break down and show drop-out it is too late to save the coolant and the filter would only then serve to catch (some of) the resulting debris of failed coolant.
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From: Spanaway
Even IF and that is a big IF that is the case the resulting
sand is going to get stuck somewhere in the system. The place
that it will get stuck will be the oil cooler and then block the flow
without a filter.
The ideal way to do this would be to use a filter and test the coolant
with the test strips and add the needed packages or replace as indicated.
by the test strip.
Sean
sand is going to get stuck somewhere in the system. The place
that it will get stuck will be the oil cooler and then block the flow
without a filter.
The ideal way to do this would be to use a filter and test the coolant
with the test strips and add the needed packages or replace as indicated.
by the test strip.
Sean
Sand = Debris.
Sean
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Is silicate a mineral? I googled it and found that it is. Sounds like degraded silicate based coolants could result in sandy sediment to me. Am I wrong?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicate_minerals
Or better yet http://www.thefreedictionary.com/silicate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicate_minerals
Or better yet http://www.thefreedictionary.com/silicate
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You should be testing your antifreeze yearly, putting a coolant filter on and running "extended life antifreeze" does not excuse you from testing your coolant and maintaining the correct Ph.
I don't think that the 6.0 has much problem with "Cavitation" in the cooling system and it also doesn't have "Liners" or "Wet Sleeves" like a heavy truck that can get "Pitting" from a poorly maintained cooling system. Also known as "Electrolysis"
jmo
http://www.cumminsfiltration.com/pdf...es/LT15068.pdf
More info: http://www.fordforumsonline.com/thre...ing-system.67/
http://www.sancarlosradiator.com/electrolysis.htm
I don't think that the 6.0 has much problem with "Cavitation" in the cooling system and it also doesn't have "Liners" or "Wet Sleeves" like a heavy truck that can get "Pitting" from a poorly maintained cooling system. Also known as "Electrolysis"
jmo
http://www.cumminsfiltration.com/pdf...es/LT15068.pdf
More info: http://www.fordforumsonline.com/thre...ing-system.67/
http://www.sancarlosradiator.com/electrolysis.htm
Last edited by jdw1; Dec 6, 2013 at 07:02 AM. Reason: added info
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hmmm.....the way I see it if you do the maintenance,flush all the crap out,run a coolant filter,even if you run Ford Gold you are good to go. Remember the key word.... MAINTENANCE !!!!!!!!!
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Coolant filters are used in conjunction with silicate based coolants and have been for years.
Anyone who thinks a properly installed coolant filter is doing their engine harm is only fooling themselves and letting debris run through their engine.
Anyone who thinks a properly installed coolant filter is doing their engine harm is only fooling themselves and letting debris run through their engine.
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Come on guys,use common sense. the passages in the oil cooler are so small,trapping anything suspended in the coolant,thus clogging it up. A coolant filter just makes good sense. For a $150.00and a couple of hours work, it's cheap insurance and a eazy way to help keep your coolant clean
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More info, the last two pages have some good info.
I use Fleetguard products in my Power Strokes, i also used them in my Peterbilts powered by Caterpillar.
http://www.cumminsfiltration.com/pdf...LT15108-GB.pdf
I use Fleetguard products in my Power Strokes, i also used them in my Peterbilts powered by Caterpillar.
http://www.cumminsfiltration.com/pdf...LT15108-GB.pdf
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But you do have a valid point.
Josh
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Come on guys,use common sense. the passages in the oil cooler are so small,trapping anything suspended in the coolant,thus clogging it up. A coolant filter just makes good sense. For a $150.00and a couple of hours work, it's cheap insurance and a eazy way to help keep your coolant clean