Notices
Excursion - King of SUVs 2000 - 2005 Ford Excursion
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

The camper thread! Pulling, using, equipment, maintenance!

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Oct 16, 2017 | 04:47 PM
  #2806  
CarterKraft's Avatar
CarterKraft
More Turbo
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 699
Likes: 37
From: DFW
8K pound load is going stop very poorly on the back of the X.
If you don't pay allot of attention you will ruin your pretty new pads/rotors.
 
Reply
Old Oct 16, 2017 | 04:50 PM
  #2807  
Deagle12's Avatar
Deagle12
Mountain Pass
5 Year Member
Photogenic
Joined: Jul 2017
Posts: 245
Likes: 7
Originally Posted by CarterKraft
8K pound load is going stop very poorly on the back of the X.
If you don't pay allot of attention you will ruin your pretty new pads/rotors.
Yeah... I decided I'll just follow the law on this one. I'm basically doing my friends a favor with this, so I'll see if they want to find something with brakes or possibly tow it at under 30mph the whole way (which Texas state law allows)
 
Reply
Old Oct 16, 2017 | 05:07 PM
  #2808  
wpnaes's Avatar
wpnaes
FTE Chapter Leader
15 Year Member
Photogenic
Liked
Loved
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 30,593
Likes: 1,236
From: N. IL
Hopefully on secondary roads, 30 seems dangerously slow on the 70mph interstate?
 
Reply
Old Oct 16, 2017 | 05:24 PM
  #2809  
Deagle12's Avatar
Deagle12
Mountain Pass
5 Year Member
Photogenic
Joined: Jul 2017
Posts: 245
Likes: 7
Originally Posted by wpnaes
Hopefully on secondary roads, 30 seems dangerously slow on the 70mph interstate?
yeah of course, avoiding the interstates completely
 
Reply
Old Oct 16, 2017 | 05:27 PM
  #2810  
WE3ZS's Avatar
WE3ZS
Moderator
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 12,051
Likes: 1,549
From: Media PA
Club FTE Gold Member
Give that trailer a good once over, your friend may not understand what he is looking at and it may actually have brakes that he doesn't realize. If it's a manufactured car hauler made within the last few decades it should have either electric or surge brakes on at least one axle.
 
Reply
Old Oct 16, 2017 | 05:37 PM
  #2811  
Deagle12's Avatar
Deagle12
Mountain Pass
5 Year Member
Photogenic
Joined: Jul 2017
Posts: 245
Likes: 7
Originally Posted by WE3ZS
Give that trailer a good once over, your friend may not understand what he is looking at and it may actually have brakes that he doesn't realize. If it's a manufactured car hauler made within the last few decades it should have either electric or surge brakes on at least one axle.
Yeah that's what I was thinking... I think it's a very good chance it's a DIY job though. It's my friends previous employer's trailer, and I think they do a lot of machining, mechanic work, etc
 
Reply
Old Oct 16, 2017 | 06:56 PM
  #2812  
CarterKraft's Avatar
CarterKraft
More Turbo
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 699
Likes: 37
From: DFW
Originally Posted by Deagle12
Yeah... I decided I'll just follow the law on this one. I'm basically doing my friends a favor with this, so I'll see if they want to find something with brakes or possibly tow it at under 30mph the whole way (which Texas state law allows)
Originally Posted by Deagle12
yeah of course, avoiding the interstates completely
I think you are going to need SMV triangles if you are going to try the 30 MPH rule (I had no idea that existed) and maybe print that statue and hope you don't run across a bored trooper.
 
Reply
Old Oct 16, 2017 | 07:04 PM
  #2813  
wpnaes's Avatar
wpnaes
FTE Chapter Leader
15 Year Member
Photogenic
Liked
Loved
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 30,593
Likes: 1,236
From: N. IL
Originally Posted by CarterKraft
I think you are going to need SMV triangles if you are going to try the 30 MPH rule (I had no idea that existed) and maybe print that statue and hope you don't run across a bored trooper.
SMV might need to be under 25mph.
 
Reply
FTE Stories

Ford Trucks for Ford Truck Enthusiasts

story-0

Rezvani's Latest Post-Apocalytic Monster Is a Ford F-150 Raptor Underneath

 Verdad Gallardo
story-1

Top 10 Most Expensive Ford Trucks Ever Sold on Bring a Trailer

 Joe Kucinski
story-2

2027 Ford Super Duty Buyer's Guide (Every Model, Engine, & Package)

 Brett Foote
story-3

Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies

 Joe Kucinski
story-4

AEV FXL Super Duty - the Super Duty Raptor Ford Doesn't Make

 Brett Foote
story-5

Lobo Vs Lobo: Proof the F-150 Lobo Should Be Even Lower!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-6

Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home

 Verdad Gallardo
story-7

10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!

 Joe Kucinski
story-8

2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road: Better Than a Raptor R?

 Brett Foote
story-9

2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package First Look: 12 Things You NEED to Know!

 Michael S. Palmer
Old Oct 17, 2017 | 10:50 AM
  #2814  
CarterKraft's Avatar
CarterKraft
More Turbo
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 699
Likes: 37
From: DFW
I don't know about you guys but U-Haul rents trailers very economically instead of a 30mph road trip...
 
Reply
Old Oct 17, 2017 | 10:52 AM
  #2815  
Deagle12's Avatar
Deagle12
Mountain Pass
5 Year Member
Photogenic
Joined: Jul 2017
Posts: 245
Likes: 7
Originally Posted by CarterKraft
I don't know about you guys but U-Haul rents trailers very economically instead of a 30mph road trip...
Definitely, problem is the truck is not running so we need a winch... don't think there's any way to rent one or anything right? And at that point probably just pay for a tow.
 
Reply
Old Oct 17, 2017 | 06:16 PM
  #2816  
Excurvelle's Avatar
Excurvelle
Logistics Pro
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 3,532
Likes: 495
From: NC
Originally Posted by WE3ZS
Find a different trailer, if it doesn't have brakes I wouldn't pull it, not at 8k lbs.
Here in PA if the trailer is over 3k lbs it has to have functioning brakes and if it has tandem axles they both must have brakes.

Humm. My open 16' trailer only has one axle brakes.


We have one more trip this year, Thanksgiving at Myrtle Beach. All in all the Surveyor has been fairly trouble free. I try to fix things as they pop up, mainly a loose something here or there. With the next trip we will have over 30 days in it this year.
 
Reply
Old Oct 17, 2017 | 08:55 PM
  #2817  
WE3ZS's Avatar
WE3ZS
Moderator
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 12,051
Likes: 1,549
From: Media PA
Club FTE Gold Member
Originally Posted by Excurvelle
Humm. My open 16' trailer only has one axle brakes.


We have one more trip this year, Thanksgiving at Myrtle Beach. All in all the Surveyor has been fairly trouble free. I try to fix things as they pop up, mainly a loose something here or there. With the next trip we will have over 30 days in it this year.


Not all states share PA's regulations on trailer brakes, so many manufactured car haulers (and other trailer types) are available with only one of a set of axles with brakes. It's a cost savings thing, most will provide the upgrade to both axles braked for an extra charge. But if you want to register it in PA and get it inspected it must have brakes all around.
We are heading out for a 3 days in NJ this weekend with friends that have a Class A, going to take our dogs along and visit a couple of local wineries. Then the plan is to head out again for the Nov 17th weekend to Lancaster PA with other friends that just upgraded from a Class A to a Fifth Wheel (and '14 6.2 SD dually). I plan to blow my water lines dry after this weekend and then wait till after the Nov weekend to do it again and add the antifreeze for the Winter. It looks like that will put us at around 37 or so nights in the TT this year, a little less than our typical season but we did have the 16 day UK trip which otherwise would have been spent in the camper.
 
Reply
Old Oct 20, 2017 | 10:23 AM
  #2818  
CarterKraft's Avatar
CarterKraft
More Turbo
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 699
Likes: 37
From: DFW
Originally Posted by Deagle12
Definitely, problem is the truck is not running so we need a winch... don't think there's any way to rent one or anything right? And at that point probably just pay for a tow.
Yes a winch of sorts will be needed but if the truck roles just doesn't run it will require a lot less force. I have chain come-a-longs and other lifting/rigging tools but I bet you can rent one at your equipment rental place. My winch is on a receiver tube so I can move it around but like I said a winch is not really necessary to load a rolling truck.
 
Reply
Old Oct 20, 2017 | 01:29 PM
  #2819  
Deagle12's Avatar
Deagle12
Mountain Pass
5 Year Member
Photogenic
Joined: Jul 2017
Posts: 245
Likes: 7
Originally Posted by CarterKraft
Yes a winch of sorts will be needed but if the truck roles just doesn't run it will require a lot less force. I have chain come-a-longs and other lifting/rigging tools but I bet you can rent one at your equipment rental place. My winch is on a receiver tube so I can move it around but like I said a winch is not really necessary to load a rolling truck.
Awesome, yeah I wasn't sure how high of a rating you'd need for a come along to work on a rolling truck. Sounds like even a 1 ton could work fine?
 
Reply
Old Oct 22, 2017 | 10:27 AM
  #2820  
CarterKraft's Avatar
CarterKraft
More Turbo
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 699
Likes: 37
From: DFW
Originally Posted by Deagle12
Awesome, yeah I wasn't sure how high of a rating you'd need for a come along to work on a rolling truck. Sounds like even a 1 ton could work fine?
I would think so. A chain come along is a real lifting tool with 5:1 safety factor.
If you follow this chart from etrailer you might be able to confirm your equipment.

Winching on an Incline

Static Loads vs. Rolling Loads

A static load (or dead load) is a weight without motion. The absence of wheels makes the load more resistant to pulling. The winch capacity is listed for pulling static loads.

A rolling load (for example, a vehicle) can be winched or moved more easily because it has wheels. When winching a rolling load, the winch can handle more weight than its rated capcity. On level ground, a winch can pull 10 times its capacity.


Inclines

Pulling a load up a ramp or incline adds extra resistance. To find the amount of load that can be pulled up an incline, multiply the winch capacity by the factor shown in the chart. The multiplication factor shown includes a 10 percent rolling factor. Note: 5 percent incline is a 1/2 ft rise in 10 ft.
% InclineMultiply By:0% (Level surface)105% (3-degree)6.6710% (6-degree)5.0220% (11-degree)3.4030% (17-degree)2.6150% (26-degree)1.8670% (35-degree)1.53100% (45-degree)1.29
For example, a 2,000-lb winch pulling a rolling load on a level surface can handle up to 20,000 lbs. At a 5 percent incline, the same winch can handle a rolling load up to 13,340 lbs. As the incline increases, the weight a winch can pull decreases.
 
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:16 PM.

story-0
Rezvani's Latest Post-Apocalytic Monster Is a Ford F-150 Raptor Underneath

Slideshow: Called the Fortress, the 850-horsepower pickup combines Raptor underpinnings with military-inspired features, survival equipment, and a starting price of $285,000.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-30 18:33:59


VIEW MORE
story-1
Top 10 Most Expensive Ford Trucks Ever Sold on Bring a Trailer

Slideshow: 10 most expensive Ford trucks ever sold on Bring a Trailer.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-27 16:24:34


VIEW MORE
story-2
2027 Ford Super Duty Buyer's Guide (Every Model, Engine, & Package)

Here's everything that has changed for the latest model year.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-27 16:17:28


VIEW MORE
story-3
Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies

Slideshow: Top 10 Ford truck tragedies.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-18 19:34:33


VIEW MORE
story-4
AEV FXL Super Duty - the Super Duty Raptor Ford Doesn't Make

And it might be even better than that.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-18 19:26:42


VIEW MORE
story-5
Lobo Vs Lobo: Proof the F-150 Lobo Should Be Even Lower!

Slideshow: Does lowering an F-150 Lobo RUIN the ride quality?

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-05-18 19:20:37


VIEW MORE
story-6
Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home

Slideshow: Ford's bizarre fishing-themed Explorer concept has resurfaced after spending decades largely forgotten.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-12 18:07:46


VIEW MORE
story-7
10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!

Slideshow: The 10 best Ford truck engines we miss the most.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-12 13:09:47


VIEW MORE
story-8
2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road: Better Than a Raptor R?

Slideshow: first look at the 810 hp 2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road!

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-12 12:50:07


VIEW MORE
story-9
2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package First Look: 12 Things You NEED to Know!

Slideshow: Everything You Need to Know about the 2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package!

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-05-07 17:51:06


VIEW MORE