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I am wondering if it might be a scour problem behind the water pump. Danny has an e99, and if the sca's were not kept up with, then his water pump may have pumped all the coolant into the oil passages.
I have rebuilt a couple of oil coolers, and while I am not disagreeing with that diagnosis, the only thing I can figure about it would be that the first o-ring just completley let go.
What would have let go? Think maybe it ate through the gasket or RTV?
Originally Posted by onelionhunter
Any word on exactly which BFE he's in? If its in the MT BFE, I am off the next 3 days.
That I am not sure, but I think California eastern BFE.
Hey everyone thanks for chiming in. Clay, you are a true brother and friend, thanks for posting this for me. Maybe I should get one of them new fangled phones things....
Anyways, I'm stuck in Bishop California, about 350 miles from home. I was on my way to pick up the Army National Guard racecar trailer, and was gonna make at least $450 profit on it. Well, y'all who know me know how my luck goes.
I was going up some hills trucking along at 70, keeping an eye on the gauges and everything was normal- oil press, water temp, boost, everything fine. The ONLY thing I would say was out of the ordinary I'd that I had definitely one injector or cylinder that was knocking "noticably"- kinda sounded like 7 parts PSD, 1 part Cummins. But that's been going on for the past 2-3 months (or longer) and I just ran the truck on AE 2 days ago. Buzz test sounded good, no faults on the contribution test (although there is a definite "lope")
SO I came into the town of Lee Vining (talk about a one horse town...) and a second or two after I tapped the brake to unlock the cruise control, it just shut off. I thought maybe I hit the DP tuner and disconnected it by accident, but it was good to go and I threw it in nuetral, and it seemed slow to crank, like the batteries were low- and it wouldn't start. So I coast into a gas station, pop the hood, and immediately pull the dipstick and oil fill cap. Steam came out, and I noticed milky junk on it from the water and oil mixing. I then looked at the coolant tank, and it was EMPTY. I unscrewed the cap, and it started to fill up again, but then dropped back to empty (guessing built up pressure pushed it back into the bottle?).
I then walked to the back of the truck and noticed that the CCV mod hose puked up the same milky water/oil residue. I then opened my Fumoto oil drain valve, and although a very little amount of water came out- and I mean maybe half a milk-jug cap full- the oil for the most part looked ok. Just about 1/2" over full on the dipstick
So now I'm scratching my head wondering where the hell the water is going, and why is it making it all the way to the CCV hose on the valve cover? If anyone wants to call my cell is 949-616-0210. The damn stealership says they probably won't even look at it til tomorrow, and they don't work on Saturdays! @&#^^(@ lazy azz dealer.... So it seems the general consensus to have them pull the oil cooler first? Anyone thought about maybe a bad injector o-ring or injector cup? Thanks for everyone's help- I may be screwed, but at least it isn't so lonely.
Danny I wish I was closer I would be there in a heart beat to help you out. I did sent Steve Bricks a message to see if he know of anyone that is close by to where you are.
I am wondering if it might be a scour problem behind the water pump. Danny has an e99, and if the sca's were not kept up with, then his water pump may have pumped all the coolant into the oil passages.
I have rebuilt a couple of oil coolers, and while I am not disagreeing with that diagnosis, the only thing I can figure about it would be that the first o-ring just completley let go.
Brandon I completely agree with you here.
Every oil cooler that I have ever seen fail sends oil into the coolant and makes a big mess in the cooling system, leaving the oil system completly clear.
Higher pressure oil always migrates to the lower pressure cooling system, never the other way around.
A bad injector o-ring would just dump oil into the fuel. A cracked injector cup would dump fuel into the coolant. So it wouldn't be either of those issues.
Usually with a cracked head gasket, the coolant system would be under high pressure, and blow coolant out from the bottle rather than in the oil. But if it's really bad, it could blow coolant into the oil. But we're talking about an unusual head gasket case here.
Worst case scenario is a cracked head or even a cracked block. I got to see an old Chevy 6.2L diesel crack a head, dump coolant into the oil, and then crack the block as temps skyrocketed. The smoke out the tailpipe was insane right before the pistons melted and the engine seized up. That was not a fun day.
On edit: I've never heard of the water pump scouring issue before on these engines. Interesting.
I think I remember the thread Brandon is refering to.
There was a writeup a few years ago where a fella had to weld up a hole in his front cover where the water pump had literally drilled a hole in it with cavitation.
May be worth pulling the pump and taking a close look.
I would pull the water pump as well. I saw one a few months ago when the pump was pulled that had severe cavitation. It wasn't leaking yet, but I was amazed how eaten it was.
I am wondering if it might be a scour problem behind the water pump. Danny has an e99, and if the sca's were not kept up with, then his water pump may have pumped all the coolant into the oil passages.
I have rebuilt a couple of oil coolers, and while I am not disagreeing with that diagnosis, the only thing I can figure about it would be that the first o-ring just completley let go.
The more I think about it. I agree with you, good possibility thats it
Good luck on this one! I am thinking electrolysis or cavitation of some sort. I wish it wasn't but that seems to be a possibility... Let us know if you need anything.
Hey all no new news yet, but now the tech is saying that it may need a new HPOP for the no start issue ??!?!?! Said the ICP is not registering press, and when he disconnected it to go to default it wouldn't start either. Still scratching my head on the water issue, mainly because it ain't in the crankcase! I know I didn;t burn it off either, figuring most of it got sent out the CCV mod tube. Man this is starting to **** me off not know wtf is going on. I'm just hoping for the cheapest fix possible. As it goes, I might need to use RHN to find a new home, cause when I get home I don't know how well received I'll be by the wife LOL. I'm gonna get some rest in my $56 roach motel room, and be at the dealer bright and early to keep an eye on whats going on.
That HPOP diagnosis seems a little premature to me. The HPOP isn't going to be able to build ICP too well if the oil is thinned out from all that coolant. I think he needs to find the source of the coolant loss first, then move ahead.
Last edited by SteveBricks; Aug 19, 2010 at 08:42 PM.
Exactly Steve, and that's why I want to be there to kinda guide the tech in the right direction. Seems like he should pull the water pump, and then the oil cooler? Damn I'm trying to get the hell outta here!
Peter, broke down in Lee Vining (what the hell kinda name for a town is that?) and paid the $315 tow to Bishop. I'M THE ONE that should be getting paid to tow! This is BS..... I'm gonna find a cold beer somewhere...
I would keep a close eye on them Danny. I am with Steve, like I texted you hours ago, the HPOP doesn't matter. Tell them to stop wasting time trying to start it and get the oil drained and all the water out. Find the leak point and go from there.
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