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Old Nov 6, 2008 | 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Izzy351
That's not particle board, Jeremy...

It's OSB. It holds up to moisture where true particle board won't.
I see we have a major difference of opinion here. I may go with using it on walls, but never the floor or sheathing for the roof.
 
Old Nov 6, 2008 | 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Markadeck
That OSB is garbage, and any penny pincher of a homeowner is getting just what he asks for. No it does not handle water worth a chit. Is that a squeegee I see in that photo? If it is, too funny. No fireblocks or let in bracing in the interior walls?
Exactly Mark...squeegee, oh yeah. My brother has to run ahead with it so I can snap lines in the rain...

No let ins alowed here, fire blocks only after 10', and they are 8' walls. I can order the osb up to 12' long so no need for shear blocking...
 
Old Nov 6, 2008 | 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by jtharvey
Hell, I don't know. That's why I asked. I know some things about construction, but not enough. I'm good with the mechanical and automotive stuff, but still have a lot to learn about construction. I like to learn about new things though. Luckily, my buddy Jeff is a contractor and he's teaching me quite a bit now. He's building a new house, and he said he wants me to help him and teach me some new things about construction. I'm excited about that.
LOL... No biggie!! Particle board is made from saw dust and will swell & fall apart when it gets wet. I forget what OSB stads for... Oriented Stranded Board or something?? The grain in the chips that make it are crossed so it's ends up pretty strong.
 
Old Nov 6, 2008 | 02:35 PM
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Oriented strand board but in the field it's call SOB board...

My place however, is all true 1/2'', 1 1/8'' floor, and 1/2 on walls and roof. Mark, we are in total agreement but you know as well as I its not always our call.
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Old Nov 6, 2008 | 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Izzy351
DANG MARK!!!!!

I NEVER would imagine you as the type to w**re yourself out for a parking spot!!!
There is more to the story, they are not even for my own use. I just let the chick at the store believe it. They go elsewhere, I am just the middleman.
 
Old Nov 6, 2008 | 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Markadeck
I see we have a major difference of opinion here. I may go with using it on walls, but never the floor or sheathing for the roof.
LMAO... It's pretty strong stuff -- most modern houses have it under their shingles (like mine). What would you use Mark? Plywood? That gets expensive quickly...

I'm not so sure I'd use in the floor though, that's for sure.
 
Old Nov 6, 2008 | 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Markadeck
There is more to the story, they are not even for my own use. I just let the chick at the store believe it. They go elsewhere, I am just the middleman.
This story just keeps getting better & better......
 
Old Nov 6, 2008 | 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Izzy351
LOL... No biggie!! Particle board is made from saw dust and will swell & fall apart when it gets wet. I forget what OSB stads for... Oriented Stranded Board or something?? The grain in the chips that make it are crossed so it's ends up PRETTY STRONG .
It is cheap and I would not use it anywhere on my personal house. When that crap first came out it was so slippery it was tough staying on a 5 and 12 roof, now they have roughed it up some, but it is still garbage. I will bet you will never find a quality orientated carpenter that would use it on his own house, you saw what Brent said. But when you're bidding a job you are bidding against people that have no scruples. But I've decided it is like a sponge and absorbs far too much water for my liking.
 
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Old Nov 6, 2008 | 02:45 PM
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They put that rule in so the snappers necks dont get snapped. When I was in school you could hit him once he started to come up. I played right over center on the return team.
I can understand why the rule is there, I guess. I always wore a cowboy collar to keep my neck from bending too far back.

Originally Posted by Powerstrokedlariat
yeah it's okay, it's a high end osb as well, so it will be fine. I wouldnt use it on my house, but thats just me. I like real wood still. but..not my budget so thats how it goes...
What do you use then?

Originally Posted by Powerstrokedlariat
No let ins aloowed here, fire blocks only after 10', and they are 8' walls. I can order the osb up to 12' long so no need for shear blocking...
Educate me here...fire blocks and let ins?

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This story just keeps getting better & better......
I agree. I'm curious as to the rest of the story.
 
Old Nov 6, 2008 | 02:47 PM
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See my post above. Let ins are where you take like a 1x4 and cut it into the wall at a diagonal for strength, Mark will know more about them then I will, as we arent allowed to use them. Fire block is basically a block in the wall to stop the draft from a fire going up through the wall bay. VERY IMPORTANT AS THEY WORK.
 
Old Nov 6, 2008 | 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Izzy351
LMAO... It's pretty strong stuff -- most modern houses have it under their shingles (like mine). What would you use Mark? Plywood? That gets expensive quickly...

I'm not so sure I'd use in the floor though, that's for sure.
My conscience does not bother me using on a customers walls. On my own dream house I did not use it anywhere, but at the time money was no object. Hell I spent 600 bucks a piece for toilets and this was back in 92. I probably had one of the only if not only bidet for my wife in the whole little town we lived in.
 
Old Nov 6, 2008 | 02:49 PM
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Well, it's been holding my shingles up for 26 years now. I'd say it's doing what it's supposed to. I know what you're getting at, Mark/Brent, and I'm the same way when it comes to wiring. I prefer 10 gauge wiring throughout my place. Would a "normal" customer pay for it? Maybe -- it's less "lossy", so there will be less electricity lost to heat the wiring, which will eventually be made up in the electric bill. Not sure if the cost of plywood over OSB can be made up under my shingles... Maybe -- I just haven't thought about how.
 
Old Nov 6, 2008 | 02:51 PM
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Unfortunatley I dont have any pictures with fire blocks, but just picture a block in the wall as to block the bay off from anything penetrating through.Name:  more work 025.jpg
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Old Nov 6, 2008 | 02:54 PM
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My conscience does not bother me using on a customers walls. On my own dream house I did not use it anywhere, but at the time money was no object. Hell I spent 600 bucks a piece for toilets and this was back in 92. I probably had one of the only if not only bidet for my wife in the whole little town we lived in.
Wow..... That's so..........FRENCH!! My wife just takes a shower.
 
Old Nov 6, 2008 | 02:59 PM
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I can understand why the rule is there, I guess. I always wore a cowboy collar to keep my neck from bending too far back.
I think they arnt worried about bending back to far as much as they are being bent down since the snapper is looking back through his legs most of the time. I wore a cowboy collar too, but thats cuz I pinched a nerve in my neck once and needed to play next week, and this made me think Id be fine..
 



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