No topic thread,,, Part 2
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i guess you need to go do some research my man...
guy breaks into your house and you lay a good whuppin on him?? he gets a B&E charge and a good lawyer... you get an aggrevated assult charge... oh wait!!! there another guy broke in, you poked him and he fell against your fridge and broke his neck-died right there. now, you're in jail with bubba for a few years...
sorry buddy, canada's justice system sucks way worse than the US!!
guy breaks into your house and you lay a good whuppin on him?? he gets a B&E charge and a good lawyer... you get an aggrevated assult charge... oh wait!!! there another guy broke in, you poked him and he fell against your fridge and broke his neck-died right there. now, you're in jail with bubba for a few years...
sorry buddy, canada's justice system sucks way worse than the US!!
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You lay a good beating on the guy and most of the time you would not get a charge at all, would be self defense. As soon as you kill someone then the whole self defense thing is still a case, but gets much more complicated, and rightfully so!
See proving that you had a good reason to physically defend yourself is easy, the guy broke in your house and took a swing at ya, ya call the cops and while waiting he tries again so you have to restrain him and it gets physical.
Now when you kill him it gets much harder to prove that he was trying to kill you, and you will most likely go to jail, not all the time, but most likely.
I have done much reading and research when it comes to the justice system here in canada, as when i was younger I got into trouble, and wanted to know some ins and outs.
We have a different justice system up here all right, and they both suck, the US is no better, I have no idea where you get that from!
But you may be a lawyer or something for all I know! I just know from what I have read and researched which who knows how accurate it may be
See proving that you had a good reason to physically defend yourself is easy, the guy broke in your house and took a swing at ya, ya call the cops and while waiting he tries again so you have to restrain him and it gets physical.
Now when you kill him it gets much harder to prove that he was trying to kill you, and you will most likely go to jail, not all the time, but most likely.
I have done much reading and research when it comes to the justice system here in canada, as when i was younger I got into trouble, and wanted to know some ins and outs.
We have a different justice system up here all right, and they both suck, the US is no better, I have no idea where you get that from!
But you may be a lawyer or something for all I know! I just know from what I have read and researched which who knows how accurate it may be
i guess you need to go do some research my man...
guy breaks into your house and you lay a good whuppin on him?? he gets a B&E charge and a good lawyer... you get an aggrevated assult charge... oh wait!!! there another guy broke in, you poked him and he fell against your fridge and broke his neck-died right there. now, you're in jail with bubba for a few years...
sorry buddy, canada's justice system sucks way worse than the US!!
guy breaks into your house and you lay a good whuppin on him?? he gets a B&E charge and a good lawyer... you get an aggrevated assult charge... oh wait!!! there another guy broke in, you poked him and he fell against your fridge and broke his neck-died right there. now, you're in jail with bubba for a few years...
sorry buddy, canada's justice system sucks way worse than the US!!
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my ex-wife one time shot a guy with my pellet gun. she kept hearing strange noises coming from the basement of our house we just moved into.
and a few days later the same noise. so she called me at work,in a panic! i just told her if someone gets in to shoot them! then call the police. sure enough she heard a loud bang, that was the basement door being kicked open. the guy got within 15ft of her and she shot him right in the groin artery just above the guys petter. he left a blood trail all the way back to his house. where police caught him. they arrested the guy and took him the hospital. otherwise he would have bled to death. the police did get the pistol and they did test it. and compared the pellet against the one they got out of the guy. anyway we did get the pellet pistol back. the cop handed it back said it was pretty powerful. the ballistics report said the muzzle velocity was 537ft per second, with a full co2 cartridge. the pellet was a match. my ex-wife was never charged with anything. because it was self defense. in fear of her life inside the home. plus the evidense proved such. plus all the blood on the kitchen floor! and all the way to his house.
well as it turns out there were 3 in the house and he was the first 1 in the kitchen and thats who got hit and they scattered like roaches. the other 2 heard a pop and they ran. and in court we had 8 of our neighbors that had their houses broken into by the same people. and she helped put a stop to it!
jack
and a few days later the same noise. so she called me at work,in a panic! i just told her if someone gets in to shoot them! then call the police. sure enough she heard a loud bang, that was the basement door being kicked open. the guy got within 15ft of her and she shot him right in the groin artery just above the guys petter. he left a blood trail all the way back to his house. where police caught him. they arrested the guy and took him the hospital. otherwise he would have bled to death. the police did get the pistol and they did test it. and compared the pellet against the one they got out of the guy. anyway we did get the pellet pistol back. the cop handed it back said it was pretty powerful. the ballistics report said the muzzle velocity was 537ft per second, with a full co2 cartridge. the pellet was a match. my ex-wife was never charged with anything. because it was self defense. in fear of her life inside the home. plus the evidense proved such. plus all the blood on the kitchen floor! and all the way to his house.
well as it turns out there were 3 in the house and he was the first 1 in the kitchen and thats who got hit and they scattered like roaches. the other 2 heard a pop and they ran. and in court we had 8 of our neighbors that had their houses broken into by the same people. and she helped put a stop to it!
jack
Thats pretty crazy Jack!
I have read some cases (just for fun) where females seem to get away with more then a guy would, due to them being "less capable" of defending themselves then a man.
Up here its a tad different though. I believe the way you would get away with that up here, is if it was proven the guy himself had a gun, knife or other weapon...
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Sometimes having a suspect left is a good thing though. They can add your case. Awfully hard to get any info (good or bad) out of a dead guy! (although sometimes in some cases it might not work either!)
Plus I was thinking about it a little more, I would take an assault charge (would that even get jailtime in a situation like this) most likely community service due to the circumstance) over what 7-25 years in jail for killing someone!
Plus I was thinking about it a little more, I would take an assault charge (would that even get jailtime in a situation like this) most likely community service due to the circumstance) over what 7-25 years in jail for killing someone!
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From: Eccles, WV
We dont have anywhere near the same problems up here.
Im all in for protecting what is mine, but I am also about not going to jail by doing so. Let someone break in here. I wont shoot em (unless some shots are fired first) but I will whoop their ***, and have the next 25 years of my life jail free!
I would chase guys down, disable their vehicle, do what it takes, but I wouldnt kill anyone (intentionally) thats just asking to go see bubba and have a sore @ss in jail!
Im all in for protecting what is mine, but I am also about not going to jail by doing so. Let someone break in here. I wont shoot em (unless some shots are fired first) but I will whoop their ***, and have the next 25 years of my life jail free!
I would chase guys down, disable their vehicle, do what it takes, but I wouldnt kill anyone (intentionally) thats just asking to go see bubba and have a sore @ss in jail!
You can deal with any force necessary up to and including a pistol, revolver, or shotgun to protect yourself and family and friends, property whether you own it or not, and victims of crime in your presence without any fear of prosecution.
In other words, if ******* criminal comes into the local 7-11, brandishes a weapon, I can plug his *** with no repercussions. Even he nor his family can sue me if he was in the process of committing a violent crime. Brandishing a gun in WV to commit a crime is a class 11 felony in WV. The sentence is life in prison now.
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Cannot find it, post the thread old buddy, I will see if I can answer it. But if you are looking for a shotgun for home defense, I would chose a remington 16 GA pump and use buckshot in it. Sawing the barrel off just beyond legal length makes it much easier to handle and the kick will help you reload if you hold it just right. I can empty this shotgun in under six seconds and would not want to be on the receiving end. It will take out a wall 8 feet high and ten feet wide with the shot pattern.
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From: carter lake ia.
my ex-wife was a nervious wreck when i got there! i just told her to aim for the head or the nuts and pull the trigger! either way he's going to be hurt!
i was in the iowa national gaurd at the time. so we had access to a range!
and i showed her how to use that pistol!
and prep it really happened! and as far as i know she still has that pistol!
should've seen the guys pants! bloody!
prep they're lucky i wasn't there i would've blasted a hole in that guy big enough to drive your truck thru!
jack
i was in the iowa national gaurd at the time. so we had access to a range!
and i showed her how to use that pistol!
and prep it really happened! and as far as i know she still has that pistol!
should've seen the guys pants! bloody!
prep they're lucky i wasn't there i would've blasted a hole in that guy big enough to drive your truck thru!
jack
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Oh no Im not looking for a shotun for self defense! (although my next gun purchase is going to be a 12 gauge)
I have a few surprises around the farm here for defense, plus I have what god gave me to defend my place plus, and im serious here!, in our area we dont have to really worry about protecting ourselves THAT much! We live in a really nice peaceful area (although we do have backup of all sorts)
Paul, question out of curiosity, that same criminal goes into the sev, but has no gun, no knife, can you pull your gun then?
Now Im definatly not totally against the idea of the whole castle deal, it will just never happen up here, so we have to deal with it in other ways.
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/7...e-shotgun.html
I asked a question on page 4 I think.
Im super fascinated on how things differ between canada and the US when it comes to things, and im always curious on learning more, and the whole right to bear arms is one of them!
)I have a few surprises around the farm here for defense, plus I have what god gave me to defend my place plus, and im serious here!, in our area we dont have to really worry about protecting ourselves THAT much! We live in a really nice peaceful area (although we do have backup of all sorts
)Paul, question out of curiosity, that same criminal goes into the sev, but has no gun, no knife, can you pull your gun then?
Now Im definatly not totally against the idea of the whole castle deal, it will just never happen up here, so we have to deal with it in other ways.
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/7...e-shotgun.html
I asked a question on page 4 I think.
Im super fascinated on how things differ between canada and the US when it comes to things, and im always curious on learning more, and the whole right to bear arms is one of them!
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Sheldon, if I think that he may do harm, yes, I can. It is a crime in progress and according to the law, I can interceed if life or property is in danger.
The gestapo may try a brandishing charge, but if the perp was tried and found guilty of attempted robbery, most juries will not convict. I would not shoot unless he threatened me physically. And with my handicap that I have (I cannot take a strike to the stomach, it will kill me), all he would have to do is approach me in a threatening manner and I can defend myself.
I answered your question on the other string.
The gestapo may try a brandishing charge, but if the perp was tried and found guilty of attempted robbery, most juries will not convict. I would not shoot unless he threatened me physically. And with my handicap that I have (I cannot take a strike to the stomach, it will kill me), all he would have to do is approach me in a threatening manner and I can defend myself.
I answered your question on the other string.
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Yes up here the criminal has all the rights even though he the one comitting the crime. In this point of time the biggest problem with ALL THE CRIME KNOW IS THE FACT THAT IT ALL STARTS IN THE HOME AT A YOUNG AGE. The rights of a parent are taken away and the youth now a days don't respect their elders. And the young afenders act in canada is anouther reason for all the crime spree that we have know. If these youth had a kick in the A## when they were youngand they left the strap in the school the youth would respect their teachers and might even learn something instead of stading off the school grounds and smoking,bulling,causing trouble. The fact is today way of living has change from when we were raised and that their is a lot more crime for it. It's sad but true. But getting back to house protection get a dog if criminals here a dog their less to enter a home that has one.
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The sad part is it seems that if your dog bites anyone, even during a break in, the dog is at fault....
I think I like American justice, it almost seems you can shoot first and ask questions later if someone is physically breaking into your house.....
I think I like American justice, it almost seems you can shoot first and ask questions later if someone is physically breaking into your house.....
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Good thing they cant charge a dog!
Sometimes it seems like the criminals have more rights then they should, but alot of times that simply isnt the case. Usually that would be a pretty rare case.
I dont agree with someone being able to just break into your house, but im also not sure I agree that you should be able to just go and shoot someone cause they do that too.
I mean whats next, speeders? If I feel a guy is speeding and is going to put my life in danger by doing so, maybe weaving in and out of traffic while speeding, etc., should I be able to shoot that guy?
Thats just a example, im in no way saying that a break and enter is to be taken lightly, but still, does that give just reason to shoot and kill someone?
Sometimes it seems like the criminals have more rights then they should, but alot of times that simply isnt the case. Usually that would be a pretty rare case.
I dont agree with someone being able to just break into your house, but im also not sure I agree that you should be able to just go and shoot someone cause they do that too.
I mean whats next, speeders? If I feel a guy is speeding and is going to put my life in danger by doing so, maybe weaving in and out of traffic while speeding, etc., should I be able to shoot that guy?
Thats just a example, im in no way saying that a break and enter is to be taken lightly, but still, does that give just reason to shoot and kill someone?