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Old Feb 7, 2008 | 08:16 AM
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I think he mean Hydro Carbons. You can get your antifreeze tested to see if you have any present in it. If so it would point to head issues.
 
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Old Feb 7, 2008 | 09:58 AM
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Exactly hydrocarbons in the resovour (sp?) points to bad head gaskets.
 
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Old Feb 7, 2008 | 10:32 AM
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I tried the running the truck with the overflow cap off and it did take some water but I still think there is air in the system. the head blows great at highway speeds but anything under 1500 RPM and it is cool at best.

I was told there may be some sort of bleeder valve or stem kinda like a home radiator heating system around the thermostat. Can anyone confirm or deny?
 
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Old Feb 7, 2008 | 03:30 PM
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Nope. No bleeder valve. The resevoir cap is all you have.



Where can I get the coolant tested?
 
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Old Feb 7, 2008 | 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by sbclemens
I'll do the compression test tonight. What do you mean by HC's?
Did you get your compression test done ?
 
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Old Feb 7, 2008 | 08:41 PM
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Did you get your compression test done ?
Two of the kids are down with the flu. It will have to wait until Friday after work. About having the coolant tested, At the time of the over heating, I drained and flushed the system and refilled with a couple of jugs of Super Flush and distilled water. I'm not sure what's in that stuff (I'll have to look at the MSDS) but if its hydrocarbon based, it wouldn't make sense to have it tested. I'm not sure who around here could even do the test.

How accurate will the compression test be on a realitively cold engine? If the test fails, is there something else I can look for to distinguish between a bad gasket or a bad head? If its the head, the kids better hide their piggy banks.
 
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Old Feb 7, 2008 | 08:46 PM
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I checked the Super Flush MSDS; no hydrocarbons. It looks like I could get the same effect by squeezing oranges (and a pinch of salt to taste) into the resevoir.
 
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Old Feb 7, 2008 | 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by sbclemens
Two of the kids are down with the flu. It will have to wait until Friday after work. About having the coolant tested, At the time of the over heating, I drained and flushed the system and refilled with a couple of jugs of Super Flush and distilled water. I'm not sure what's in that stuff (I'll have to look at the MSDS) but if its hydrocarbon based, it wouldn't make sense to have it tested. I'm not sure who around here could even do the test.

How accurate will the compression test be on a realitively cold engine? If the test fails, is there something else I can look for to distinguish between a bad gasket or a bad head? If its the head, the kids better hide their piggy banks.
It's difficult to say how accurate the compression test will be because of so many varitables. As far as distinguishing if it's a cracked head or the gasket.... If it's a cracked head it maybe very difficult to tell just by looking at it. Taking the head in to have it analized is an option or you could just pull the head, replace the gasket and hope for the best. Tell me more about the O2 sensor you were talking about earlier, is that an on again and off again problem ? If so that might be a good indication of which head your having the problem with (bank 1 passinger side, bank 2 drivers side). Also when I asked if your exhaust looked steamy, you mentioned that there was a puddle of water from your exhaust. One thing to remember is that a small amount of moisture is normal out of an exhaust system. It's a result of the combustion of hydrocarbons and the catalytic conversion, but if you have a lot of moisture (more than that of a comparable vehicle) then there again could be an indication of a problem with your head. Let me know how the compression test turns out. Oh, and I hope your kids are feeling better.
 

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Old Feb 7, 2008 | 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by BigDASH
I tried the running the truck with the overflow cap off and it did take some water but I still think there is air in the system. the head blows great at highway speeds but anything under 1500 RPM and it is cool at best.

I was told there may be some sort of bleeder valve or stem kinda like a home radiator heating system around the thermostat. Can anyone confirm or deny?
You might end up having to do it a couple of times. Also when you do this and it heats up at the radiator hoses turn your heaters on.
 
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Old Feb 7, 2008 | 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by sbclemens
I checked the Super Flush MSDS; no hydrocarbons. It looks like I could get the same effect by squeezing oranges (and a pinch of salt to taste) into the resevoir.
The antifreeze itself doesnt contain hydrocarbons. Hydrocarbons is basically raw gas. The reason to test for HC's in the resovour(sp?) is to see if exhaust gases are present in the antifreeze, meanin bad head gaskets. When doing the compression test it is just as important to watch the cylinder leak down as it is to see how much compression the cylinder holds. I will like to see the results of your compression check.
 
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Old Feb 7, 2008 | 11:02 PM
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... The reason to test for HC's in the resovour(sp?) is to see if exhaust gases are present in the antifreeze, meanin bad head gaskets. ..
I'll collect a sample of the coolant. I take it the local parts store won't have the facilities to test it. I'm not sure who would be able to test the fluid any ideas? After running the engine with the resevoir cap on, there is a lot of foam present. I though the foam was caused by an air leak but it could as well be caused by the exhaust entering the coolant system.

The O2 sensor is the front one on the driver's side. The problem started when I ran Seafoam through the vacuum line to see if that would clear up the hesitation I was experiencing. The code was/is P0133 which is a slow sensor. But, it would reset itself after driving awhile and stay off for a couple of days. Now that the head or head gasket seems a likely candidate along with the loss of coolant, it seems likely that the hesitation is due to coolant getting into the combustion chamber and causing poor ignition. So that would cause unburned fuel/coolant to posion the O2 sensor. Make sense? Or am I reaching?
 
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Old Feb 7, 2008 | 11:09 PM
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[QUOTE=BigDASH]I tried the running the truck with the overflow cap off and it did take some water but I still think there is air in the system. the head blows great at highway speeds but anything under 1500 RPM and it is cool at best.

Becareful. This is the same thing that happened to me when I did my first coolant change a few years ago. The air takes a while to work itself out so keep an eye on the coolant level for the next few weeks. Carry some coolant/water with you when you drive. Stop the expy as soon as you feel the temperature of the heater drop. This is a sign your coolant is dangerously low. The temperature gauge will probably still read in the normal zone. My problem is that I drove for days and weeks like this because I don't usually have the heater running here in the desert. So now I'm paying for the abuse I caused.
 
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Old Feb 7, 2008 | 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by sbclemens
I'll collect a sample of the coolant. I take it the local parts store won't have the facilities to test it. I'm not sure who would be able to test the fluid any ideas? After running the engine with the resevoir cap on, there is a lot of foam present. I though the foam was caused by an air leak but it could as well be caused by the exhaust entering the coolant system.

The O2 sensor is the front one on the driver's side. The problem started when I ran Seafoam through the vacuum line to see if that would clear up the hesitation I was experiencing. The code was/is P0133 which is a slow sensor. But, it would reset itself after driving awhile and stay off for a couple of days. Now that the head or head gasket seems a likely candidate along with the loss of coolant, it seems likely that the hesitation is due to coolant getting into the combustion chamber and causing poor ignition. So that would cause unburned fuel/coolant to posion the O2 sensor. Make sense? Or am I reaching?
When I asked about your O2 sensor, that's kind of what I was thinking .
 
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Old Feb 8, 2008 | 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by sbclemens
I'll collect a sample of the coolant. I take it the local parts store won't have the facilities to test it. I'm not sure who would be able to test the fluid any ideas? After running the engine with the resevoir cap on, there is a lot of foam present. I though the foam was caused by an air leak but it could as well be caused by the exhaust entering the coolant system.

The O2 sensor is the front one on the driver's side. The problem started when I ran Seafoam through the vacuum line to see if that would clear up the hesitation I was experiencing. The code was/is P0133 which is a slow sensor. But, it would reset itself after driving awhile and stay off for a couple of days. Now that the head or head gasket seems a likely candidate along with the loss of coolant, it seems likely that the hesitation is due to coolant getting into the combustion chamber and causing poor ignition. So that would cause unburned fuel/coolant to posion the O2 sensor. Make sense? Or am I reaching?
Also with the engine cold you may also be able to narrow it down to a specific cylinder by pulling the plugs on the suspect head and comparing them, you might find one that is wet from the coolant or looks different than the others.
 

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Old Feb 8, 2008 | 05:01 AM
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Originally Posted by sbclemens
I'll collect a sample of the coolant. I take it the local parts store won't have the facilities to test it. I'm not sure who would be able to test the fluid any ideas? After running the engine with the resevoir cap on, there is a lot of foam present. I though the foam was caused by an air leak but it could as well be caused by the exhaust entering the coolant system.

The O2 sensor is the front one on the driver's side. The problem started when I ran Seafoam through the vacuum line to see if that would clear up the hesitation I was experiencing. The code was/is P0133 which is a slow sensor. But, it would reset itself after driving awhile and stay off for a couple of days. Now that the head or head gasket seems a likely candidate along with the loss of coolant, it seems likely that the hesitation is due to coolant getting into the combustion chamber and causing poor ignition. So that would cause unburned fuel/coolant to posion the O2 sensor. Make sense? Or am I reaching?
Ahh, yes! Yet another example of the 'wisdom' of sucking seafoam through a vacuum line directly into the crankcase. The solvent probably dislodged something and slammed it directly into the O2 sensor ... IMO, running seafoam in your crankcase is like pulling the oil drain plug with the engine running. You might want to change your oil with a Ford recommended grade, perhaps the 5W-20, and do it like yesterday.
 
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