Well lets see Ford has customers with problems that they have denied warranting repairs and Navistar has customers (example Ford) that they have denied covering warranty, so no I don't think its much differant.

And Navistar built many 2800/2900 rpm VT365s with 230 horsepower/620 ft lbs. ratings and they will not warranty a single thing that is modified without approval.

 

origcharger that wasn't really directed at you specifically just used your post to get my point across. Ford is suing navistar for doing exactly what ford does when someone mods something. now if this thread was about the Navistar issue, most of the guys on here would be claiming how navistar should be thrown under the bus, they are horrible, junk etc yet when ford does the same thing those same individuals start laughing and saying it's your own dang fault and telling the person what an idiot he is for modifying his truck etc. My point is I see familar names doing both and want them to think about it, now and in the future when teh ford/navistar fight is brought up again.

 

I would wager that the 6.0s in Ford trucks were never modified by anyone after they left Navistar till they were installed in trucks on Fords assembly line.
And before someone says that there are components on 7.3s and 6.0s that have Ford part numbers on them I would point out that Ford part numbers are also on many components on the T444Es and VT 365s as installed in International Trucks, including fuel and engine management systems.

 

you would be wrong in that wager, Ford modified them before installing them in ford trucks, the fuel and engine management system is fords not navistar thus the engines were in fact modified from original design specs as produced by the original manufacturer.

 

Just becuause the fuel and engine management system is Ford's does not mean Ford modified them before putting them in trucks.

 

Is it the exact same and set at the exact same power levels as the engine was originally designed for? I could wait for the answer but we all know what the answer actually is IF your honest. You and many others are all too willing to throw this guy under the bus for removing a DPF that doesn't make that much difference on the rest of the actual drive train yet come up with lame excuses and will apologizes and excuse ford for jacking the HP levels up WAY, WAY beyond the original design limits of that engine, which DOES increase the cylinder pressure to the point that blows head gaskets out, yet people claim it's a design flaw and Navistar should be held responsible, yet if some one removes a cat that does NOT increase cylinder pressure and blows a head gasket it's their own dang fault.
pretty much a double standard there.

edit if I take a computor and program it to increase the power of my engine by 70hp, put my name on it and claim it's not modyfied but rather the way I designed it should ford still be held responsible for warrenty or do you think they would be justified in voiding the warrenty???? wait before you answer think real carefully now and remember the VT365 is setup for max 230hp and the 6.0L powerstroke is at 300hp so come on think long and hard before answering this question

 

6.0 was rated at 325HP in the trucks, maybe you are the one that needs to be researching.

 

Please, this borders on ridiculous.
The engine outputs are differant because light truck and medium truck is two differant markets.
How do you know what the VT365/6.0 was designed for as far as maximum power ratings?
Why would any manufacturer be expected to warranty anything that was modified without their approval?

 

I just proved my point thanx LOL

Now think about this each and every time you start slamming on someone that modified their truck and has a warranty problem. If you know anything about me on this site you know I am not a troll I post a lot of pro ford information and I KNOW for a fact ford will try and screw you on warranty and I am really tired of people getting hammered and jumped on like in this thread, heck most time I don't agree with and even irritated with Steve but you people really need to realize ford is doing to him exactly what navistar did to Ford and you all are jumping down his throat while making excuses for Ford. You want to know why I know it's an issue with Warranty I had to fight a warranty issue with ford on a transmission that they tried to deny warranty because I put on a set of BFG mud terrains in stock size and was told I had modified my truck with tires it was not designed to run and that was why the trans went out. NO OTHER MODIFICATIONS TO THE TRUCK.

Now in this very thread someone (don't want to go back and look to see who cause you know who you are) stated that the DPF and higher egt's is not hurting the turbo yadda, yadda because the dpf is down stream of the turbo and can't be affecting it, yet turn around and claim this is all his fault he is blowing gaskets because he removed the DPF well last time I checked the head gaskets were even further upstream than the turbo is and thus even farther away from the dpf thus if it is not killing the turbo because it's downstream then remvoing it isn't hurting the head gaskets, use some common sense duh.
Hope everyone has a great weekend.

 

From bordering on ridiculous to just plain ridiculous.

Controlling warranty costs, they all do it.
They tell you if you modify this new truck they will void warranty, you buy truck, you modify it, they void warranty, no surprise. It really doesn't matter if your modification had much to do with the failure or not.
Even Steve, assuming his story is legit, agrees Ford should have voided his power train warranty.
Your whole point about the DPF removal is also without merit because you can't remove it without altering the engine programming in order to shut off the regenerations, altered engine programming in itself means they can void powertrain warranty.

 

We purchased a 08 F-350 6.4 L yesterday (more later) during the purchase process we were advised 3 different times by 3 different folks that modification to ANY system would result in the warranty being voided. They said Ford has been cracking down on un authorized mods in a BIG way. I got the message...

 

Can you 'PROVE' this...or is this just unfounded information?

Navistar would have had to sign off on the spec change from FORD. It is in the contract with between Nav and FORD. If the Nav Engineers sign-off, then that gives FORD the ability to program the fuel management to the specs they feel are needed in the SD trucks.

Sorry, but until you can provide 'PROOF'...this is simply a RUMOR.


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and until you have proof that removing the dpf causes head gaskets to blow by increasing cylinder pressure it's just unfounded excusing warranty BS. now as to the rest navistar signed off on the VT365 standing up to 275hp and when ford jacked it above that level they refused to pay warranty claims on things like head gaskets which is the whole issue behind the current dispute between ford and navistar.

All I am sayingis I am sick and tired of seeing the same guys slamming navistar for not paying for warrenty stuff that was above and beyond first their control and second outside the limits as originally designed and signed off on and those self same people coming into a thread like this and slamming a poster for modding his truck and telling him he deserves to have his warranty and I mean the entire warranty voided. there is not difference between what navistar isdoing to ford and what ford is doing to steve.

And all the proof I need is right here in the past 2 pages of me being jumped on about this when you guys are actually proving it beyond anyones ability to doubt the double standard. unless your willing to knock ford for pushing limits then knock off slamming people about modding their trucks

 

international is having tons of problems with the vt 365 as well from what i can tell, every day there is another school bus in at the international garage around the corner from where i work, so even at the power they are running it they seem to be having quite a lot of problems

 

So...you have no proof.

Ok what you are missing is that a key component was removed...in the dpf. With full knowledge if something went wrong...the warranty would be void. This person signed a document...stating if the SD was mod...the warranty would be void. So...it is NO surprise that the warranty is now void. IMO...void is void...is void. Doesn't matter why the head gasket blew. For that matter...it makes no difference if it was the tranny...or water pump...or etc. What matters is the SD was mod...and now no longer has a warranty. Good for FORD.

Also...what the heck is the PCM supposed to "think" now??? Do I regen? Do I not regen? Wait...does the PCM even know the dpf is missing? Who re-programmed the PCM to know that the dpf is missing? See where I am going with this? The PCM...does not have the ability to sense if the dpf is there or not. If it is programmed to believe the dpf is there, then by all means that is what it is going to believe...until told otherwise in a re-flash program. So...according to this Owner...he never installed a third party program. Therefore the PCM is in an OEM state, so the 6.4L PSD does not have the ability to function as intended. What is affected? Well...the FORD engineers know...

End result: Warranty Void!


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