6.0 Engine Horrible
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firetail98:
Maybe you should take a sample of your fuel from the water drain for the HFCM and send it in to a lab.
I recall you indicated that you have an additional fuel tank; perhaps there is something about your fuel tank addition that is doing something to the fuel?
1) air, as has already been suggested
2) type of fuel tank construction or problem with interior finish of the additional fuel tank.
Good luck.
Bob
Maybe you should take a sample of your fuel from the water drain for the HFCM and send it in to a lab.
I recall you indicated that you have an additional fuel tank; perhaps there is something about your fuel tank addition that is doing something to the fuel?
1) air, as has already been suggested
2) type of fuel tank construction or problem with interior finish of the additional fuel tank.
Good luck.
Bob
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guydriver12, I agree with you. That is why I said you have to record how much comes out after you have changed the oil the second time. After that, it should stay constant.
As an example, assume that when you bought the truck new, the factory put 15 quarts into an empty engine. When you had the oil changed the first time by a service, like I did, you watched them put 15 quarts back in to replace what they took out. You now have 16 quarts in your motor.
What episode happened to you at 1100 miles?
Paclik, did he say how the fuel gets into the crankcase? I guess that if you rack up more miles between oil changes, you get more disel in there, which would dilute everything?
As an example, assume that when you bought the truck new, the factory put 15 quarts into an empty engine. When you had the oil changed the first time by a service, like I did, you watched them put 15 quarts back in to replace what they took out. You now have 16 quarts in your motor.
What episode happened to you at 1100 miles?
Paclik, did he say how the fuel gets into the crankcase? I guess that if you rack up more miles between oil changes, you get more disel in there, which would dilute everything?
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Originally Posted by t_j82
Hardware,
After looking at other boards just as you have I must say that while some here are quick to jump to conclusions, this board is by no means the most degrading etc. Yes, some can be sarcastic but just look at the language used here.
There are no people here calling each other foul, disgusting names all of the time, no threats of retaliation or any of that nonsense that seems very prevelant on "other" sites. I guess a lot of what happens here could be attributed to people who are REALLY passionate about Fords and are not shy about saying so (hence the enthusiasts name) which means to me that I have to "read around" some of the posts and get what they mean, not just what is written.
It is very hard when dealing with the written word to get the emotion behind it because you can't see the person saying it so from time to time when I get aggrivated at what is posted I try to sit back and give the benefit of the doubt and think what the person could possibly mean. It's like the ongoing jibes I get from my friend who owns a Dodge, we trade barbs all of the time but he nor I think badly of each other, we just laugh at whose is funniest and move on to try and find another one....
The only thing that bothers me here is the tendancy to start dog piling (or the "me too" or "ditto") syndrome as it were. Thankfully it is not all that prevelant.
I for one am glad this site is here and have gotten more info in a short time than I could get anywhere
After looking at other boards just as you have I must say that while some here are quick to jump to conclusions, this board is by no means the most degrading etc. Yes, some can be sarcastic but just look at the language used here.
There are no people here calling each other foul, disgusting names all of the time, no threats of retaliation or any of that nonsense that seems very prevelant on "other" sites. I guess a lot of what happens here could be attributed to people who are REALLY passionate about Fords and are not shy about saying so (hence the enthusiasts name) which means to me that I have to "read around" some of the posts and get what they mean, not just what is written.
It is very hard when dealing with the written word to get the emotion behind it because you can't see the person saying it so from time to time when I get aggrivated at what is posted I try to sit back and give the benefit of the doubt and think what the person could possibly mean. It's like the ongoing jibes I get from my friend who owns a Dodge, we trade barbs all of the time but he nor I think badly of each other, we just laugh at whose is funniest and move on to try and find another one....
The only thing that bothers me here is the tendancy to start dog piling (or the "me too" or "ditto") syndrome as it were. Thankfully it is not all that prevelant.
I for one am glad this site is here and have gotten more info in a short time than I could get anywhere
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That was a week ago, and we were discussing a lot of things. But I believe he was said just unburned fuel down past the rings. I agree, more time between oil changes would cause more diluted oil....I don't want to be too critical of his statement, but I have some concern about what he told me...and the lack of concern of what it might do to the engine. And to be fair to him, he didn't specify how many miles between oil changes. Just something to kick around here and get some input. This was FMC Diesel engineer. Like I said earlier don't know if he was Ford, International or Navistar.
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Originally Posted by Paclik
Yea and I could ride a one pedaled bicycle too. But wouldn't pay for two. You guys have me laughing now----thanks I needed to lighten up ....maybe this is just a bad dream.
That's one of my points. If I wanted to manually shift down I would have gotten the 6-speed manual. The Tow/Haul has outer features other than engine braking and saving brakes. Again that's how it was represented. It is now like the old bait and switch.
That's one of my points. If I wanted to manually shift down I would have gotten the 6-speed manual. The Tow/Haul has outer features other than engine braking and saving brakes. Again that's how it was represented. It is now like the old bait and switch.
anybody wanna trade me for a 6spd???
i wish...........sorry to get off subject here
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I am considering going back to the 6-speed, the torqueshift was (in my case) a perfect tranny until it was intentionally modified by the flash 4/30/2004. I don't recall if I was clear as to the statement by the engineers at FMC when I found out they screwed my Tow/Haul up. I was told the reason they modified it and took out the 3>2>1 downshift was because they got more negative feedback than positive feedback on the downshifting. I commented at the time and am still screaming at them..."Not very many people call and complain when they are happy about something" I believe they were getting negative feedback from people that don't drive mountains, and believe me I live and drive in the mountains here in Northern California. All of my friends that own Ford trucks and have had problems with the previous automatic transmissions just keep putting brakes in and replacing trannys. When I heard that Ford has a new transmission built especially to go behind the 6.0L I got in line. I drove it and it was smooth, engine brake was great---not one complaint until flashed by FMC. This is old news now.
I am considering going back to the 6-speed, the torqueshift was (in my case) a perfect tranny until it was intentionally modified by the flash 4/30/2004. I don't recall if I was clear as to the statement by the engineers at FMC when I found out they screwed my Tow/Haul up. I was told the reason they modified it and took out the 3>2>1 downshift was because they got more negative feedback than positive feedback on the downshifting. I commented at the time and am still screaming at them..."Not very many people call and complain when they are happy about something" I believe they were getting negative feedback from people that don't drive mountains, and believe me I live and drive in the mountains here in Northern California. All of my friends that own Ford trucks and have had problems with the previous automatic transmissions just keep putting brakes in and replacing trannys. When I heard that Ford has a new transmission built especially to go behind the 6.0L I got in line. I drove it and it was smooth, engine brake was great---not one complaint until flashed by FMC. This is old news now.
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i agree completely. my 03 had PI and a wonderful tow haul. then the "magical new flash" was out back in oct...... shoulda left it alone.
as soon as im outta the 100mi warranty(if the engine actually lives that long, and it doesnt look like it will) i will be looking into puting a 6spd in my truck. i want the manual because of my gears, and i really want the exhaust brake option. the extra money on this slush box was a real kick in the butt.
tell ya what, when they didnt want to do anything about the rear main seal leak and the other stuff, i called ford commercial credit(thats who i financed thru) and warned i was going to quit paying for my POS. i was connected to the proper individuals(fords "men in black") and the problems were fixed before the next payment was due
as soon as im outta the 100mi warranty(if the engine actually lives that long, and it doesnt look like it will) i will be looking into puting a 6spd in my truck. i want the manual because of my gears, and i really want the exhaust brake option. the extra money on this slush box was a real kick in the butt.
tell ya what, when they didnt want to do anything about the rear main seal leak and the other stuff, i called ford commercial credit(thats who i financed thru) and warned i was going to quit paying for my POS. i was connected to the proper individuals(fords "men in black") and the problems were fixed before the next payment was due
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Originally Posted by bighoss550
tell ya what, when they didnt want to do anything about the rear main seal leak and the other stuff, i called ford commercial credit(thats who i financed thru) and warned i was going to quit paying for my POS. i was connected to the proper individuals(fords "men in black") and the problems were fixed before the next payment was due
Wow. What good what that do for your credit?
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Bighoss550
I wish I had financed instead of cash. I would have done exactly that. I would try a crosscountry drive to Dearborn and park it in somebodies "Reserved" space and leave the keys in their mailbox. My days of writing a check/cash are over. No leverage as for credit who needs it. Just venting again.
I wish I had financed instead of cash. I would have done exactly that. I would try a crosscountry drive to Dearborn and park it in somebodies "Reserved" space and leave the keys in their mailbox. My days of writing a check/cash are over. No leverage as for credit who needs it. Just venting again.
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Paclik, I understand you don't want to use the engineers name (I don't want you to).
I am guessing he was from International, but I may be wrong.
When he made the reference to the increase in oil quantity, he didn't say what it could be attributed to (it may not be diesel, could be sludge etc).
Even so, if he says it is safe to have that amount of whatever in there, I wouldn't question him.
I like to think I know a bit about diesels, and I am sure that you guys here know quite a lot, but I have met a few guys from International, and they put diesel in the coffee for crying out loud.
And until someone who knows more about the engine (unlikely) comes along and says otherwise I would take what he said as gospel.
As for getting preferential treatment from Ford by blackmailing them with payments, I think its a bit unprofessional on their behalf that they responded to that.
If I ran Ford I wouldn't have it working that way.
But then again if I ran Ford, nobodies cars would have problems would they
I am guessing he was from International, but I may be wrong.
When he made the reference to the increase in oil quantity, he didn't say what it could be attributed to (it may not be diesel, could be sludge etc).
Even so, if he says it is safe to have that amount of whatever in there, I wouldn't question him.
I like to think I know a bit about diesels, and I am sure that you guys here know quite a lot, but I have met a few guys from International, and they put diesel in the coffee for crying out loud.
And until someone who knows more about the engine (unlikely) comes along and says otherwise I would take what he said as gospel.
As for getting preferential treatment from Ford by blackmailing them with payments, I think its a bit unprofessional on their behalf that they responded to that.
If I ran Ford I wouldn't have it working that way.
But then again if I ran Ford, nobodies cars would have problems would they
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Originally Posted by Todder
Wow. What good what that do for your credit?
and BTW, i did say that it was rectified BEFORE the next payment was due
and it wasnt "blackmail", it was a simple process that shoulda happened at the dealer when i first complained, but instead, i had to call this # and that # and noone wanted to help, so i called the lender and nicely stated that i wasnt paying for a truck that doesnt work. their job is to smooth things out and they have more connections than me and it was taken care of. it was a nice thing of them to do and im still makin payments. if i would have been mean about it, im sure it woulda turned out a bit differently
Last edited by bighoss550; Mar 22, 2005 at 06:37 AM.
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Just have to add my 0.02 cents. Not that it is worth that much.
Yes, He came off hard in his first statement. But it dosn't take that for everyone to start accusing of being a troll on this board. Members here need to back off, and get the whole story before jumping into the fray.
Now, that being said, a comment was made that the new c-95 injectors were not having problems. I say BS. Ford bought my 03 back because it would not keep c-95 injectors in it. I believe I had seven go bad in 14,000 miles. NOW, as posted before, I do not believe it was the injectors problem, but some other components that were at fault. After I ordered my 05 truck, a diesel tech at my dealership guessed that two components were within spec, but at opposite ends of the spectrum. i.e. one was within spec, but the upper end of spec, the other same thing, but the lower end of spec. He replaced BOTH, a no no by fords warranty standards, and the truck actually gave me about 5000 of the most trouble free miles while I waited for my new 05.
Now, to discuss Pacliks concerns. I too had ford engineering out to drive my 05. New issues with the 05!!! They ran through a tank of fuel in my truck in DECEMBER, said they had a good handle on the problem, and would affect a flash to correct it. Still waiting. (imagine the enigizer bunny here!) and waiting, and waiting. Ford WILL NOT respond to any of my requests, They will not attempt to fix any of the other problems with the truck, or even deal with me until the flash is released. Ford customer disservice at its best. A lot of the other issues with my truck are not related to engine, and still no action.
Yes, He came off hard in his first statement. But it dosn't take that for everyone to start accusing of being a troll on this board. Members here need to back off, and get the whole story before jumping into the fray.
Now, that being said, a comment was made that the new c-95 injectors were not having problems. I say BS. Ford bought my 03 back because it would not keep c-95 injectors in it. I believe I had seven go bad in 14,000 miles. NOW, as posted before, I do not believe it was the injectors problem, but some other components that were at fault. After I ordered my 05 truck, a diesel tech at my dealership guessed that two components were within spec, but at opposite ends of the spectrum. i.e. one was within spec, but the upper end of spec, the other same thing, but the lower end of spec. He replaced BOTH, a no no by fords warranty standards, and the truck actually gave me about 5000 of the most trouble free miles while I waited for my new 05.
Now, to discuss Pacliks concerns. I too had ford engineering out to drive my 05. New issues with the 05!!! They ran through a tank of fuel in my truck in DECEMBER, said they had a good handle on the problem, and would affect a flash to correct it. Still waiting. (imagine the enigizer bunny here!) and waiting, and waiting. Ford WILL NOT respond to any of my requests, They will not attempt to fix any of the other problems with the truck, or even deal with me until the flash is released. Ford customer disservice at its best. A lot of the other issues with my truck are not related to engine, and still no action.
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I cannot even venture a guess as to why Ford is not communicating with you guys even it is just to say that they haven't forgotten about you or your truck.
Good wishes and good luck.
I sure hope I never have to come to you guys for advice in dealing with Ford. If you know what I mean?
Good wishes and good luck.
I sure hope I never have to come to you guys for advice in dealing with Ford. If you know what I mean?