6.0 Engine Horrible
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It's not the dealership. It is FMC. I trust the Shop Foreman he is straight. The FMC engineers could't find any error codes. So I guess I should have gotten the the three car's license numbers behind me that watched my truck downshift from "D" to 2nd in the rain and spin out almost 90 degrees into the oncoming lane. You know in my business service for manufacturer, just about the time I think I have seen about everything these heating units can do, up pops a new one. Ford Engineers, if you are reading this IT DOES DOWNSHIFT "D" to 2nd and 1st at high speeds. I don't recall saying 6,000 rpm's. It has gone into the mid 4,000's. The other thing I just thought of, perhaps because of the slipping that seems to go on in the torque converter, maybe that is why it doesn't hit those 5,000 or 6,000. Just a thought. But then I didn't engineer the Torqueshift and don't know if that is a possiblity.
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I am trying to get a reply back from the Service Writer. I am just about to call and spend another lost day on something that FMC says they can't fix. Restore my truck to what I bought. Full function Tow/Haul. I love the truck, and I hope we can come up with a solution. I am not into dropping another chunk of money down to trade in for 6-speed manual. I did that on this truck. I will let you know what I find out today. What got me Edited was being told the brake problem that has been going on for months isn't under warranty and I have emailed, and mailed, phoned with symptoms of noise in wheel.
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Does anyone know if the three computers can be replaced with original program? I work with computers and when they are flashed, it changes the hardware and can't be reversed they must be flashed with later revisions. Reprograming is a software change and can be cleared and reprogramed. I believe the computers in the the trucks are hardware and the software (flashes) change the hardware. Somewhere FMC must have the three original modules that can be restored to what they sold me and what I bought. You may be right can/can't or will/won't. I guess that takes someone who will get it done. I want to keep my good relationship with the selling dealership but if not?? This seem pretty simple to me and I am getting really tired of wasting my time with the can/can't or will/won't runaround.
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dont bother with the tow haul function. if you wanna drop a gear, yank the lever. works well on mine
firetail, i also haul rv's. what company are u leased to? they need to be helping u out here. 80K in a year is actually goin pretty slow. u need to stop using whatever fuel additive u are using, and change ur fuel filters. when u do, if u have the time, take the fuel filter housing off the frame and clean it out. blow a little air into the lines and keep a close eye out for fuel seepage from the lines back to the tank. ur best option is to get rid of the truck and buy an F550. then u can haul 2 rv's at once and get a backhaul. the 350 is NOT a commercial truck, and never will be. think of how much money u will be spending once u dont have a warranty? that 550 looks pretty cheap, huh?
firetail, i also haul rv's. what company are u leased to? they need to be helping u out here. 80K in a year is actually goin pretty slow. u need to stop using whatever fuel additive u are using, and change ur fuel filters. when u do, if u have the time, take the fuel filter housing off the frame and clean it out. blow a little air into the lines and keep a close eye out for fuel seepage from the lines back to the tank. ur best option is to get rid of the truck and buy an F550. then u can haul 2 rv's at once and get a backhaul. the 350 is NOT a commercial truck, and never will be. think of how much money u will be spending once u dont have a warranty? that 550 looks pretty cheap, huh?
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Yea and I could ride a one pedaled bicycle too. But wouldn't pay for two. You guys have me laughing now----thanks I needed to lighten up ....maybe this is just a bad dream.
That's one of my points. If I wanted to manually shift down I would have gotten the 6-speed manual. The Tow/Haul has outer features other than engine braking and saving brakes. Again that's how it was represented. It is now like the old bait and switch. I can't tell you how many irrate owners I have defused by just treating them the way I would expect to be treated.....In 30 years it has worked every time and I mean that. Even dealing with upset atty's they finally see that I am doing the right thing for them and getting them back in hot water and back in heat. "They sometimes go together"
That's one of my points. If I wanted to manually shift down I would have gotten the 6-speed manual. The Tow/Haul has outer features other than engine braking and saving brakes. Again that's how it was represented. It is now like the old bait and switch. I can't tell you how many irrate owners I have defused by just treating them the way I would expect to be treated.....In 30 years it has worked every time and I mean that. Even dealing with upset atty's they finally see that I am doing the right thing for them and getting them back in hot water and back in heat. "They sometimes go together"
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From: Ormond Beach
Originally Posted by Paclik
When I was talking with the Ford Engineers last Tuesday one told me it is normal to gain 1 quart of oil between oil changes. What do you think? Sounds like a lot of fuel getting into the oil to me...
Please.
If a tech said that and believed that he should be fired on the spot!
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I don't know, I don't want to give out his name...I suppose I could contact him and ask that he reply. I don't think that will work because I still can't get a reply from any of the engineers or their boss. I talked with their boss last Tuesday morning and he was helpful as far as getting them to look at the truck -----silence since then. I had a conference call with about 6 engineers from Ford. They didn't do much talking, I just provided some input....not as productive as it could have been. Makes me wonder if they were just shining me on again. Stall and he will go away. NOT
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... it is normal to gain 1 quart of oil between oil changes.... Actually, the engineer is probably correct here.
When you change/drain your oil, you do not get the full 15 quarts out because some is left up in the engine (i.e. injector pump, etc.). I'm guessing about a quart. When you add back the 15 quarts as specified in the manual, you are in fact overfilling the engine. You now have 16 quarts in the motor. When you go to change the oil the next time, you will have 1 quart more coming out than you did the last time, hence the Engineer's statement.
This is one of the reasons we have figured out to only add 13.5 quarts at each oil change.
Next time you change your oil, check to see how much came out versus the 13.5 you put in the time before. After recording this a couple of oil changes, it should start being the same. If after 2 or three times you suddenlly have a quart more, then my hypothesis will be proven incorrect.
When you change/drain your oil, you do not get the full 15 quarts out because some is left up in the engine (i.e. injector pump, etc.). I'm guessing about a quart. When you add back the 15 quarts as specified in the manual, you are in fact overfilling the engine. You now have 16 quarts in the motor. When you go to change the oil the next time, you will have 1 quart more coming out than you did the last time, hence the Engineer's statement.
This is one of the reasons we have figured out to only add 13.5 quarts at each oil change.
Next time you change your oil, check to see how much came out versus the 13.5 you put in the time before. After recording this a couple of oil changes, it should start being the same. If after 2 or three times you suddenlly have a quart more, then my hypothesis will be proven incorrect.
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From: north louisiana
oil drain amount
I politely disagree with Beemr. If you drain your oil, and add X number of quarts, that is what you should drain out the next time, not an additional quart,unless you have an injector leaking. It doesn't matter how much is left in the system that cannot be drained, because that amount will always be left in the system when you drain the oil. What I do agree with is that there is X amt. left in there, but that's a mute point. It can't be drained out. It recirculates with the new oil, gets diluted, and comes out in the wash next oil change.
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beemr
The Ford Engineer was saying the increased oil level was from Diesel fuel that ends up in the oil pan. Just trying to be accurate about his comment. I do understand your point. But he was commenting on Diesel Fuel and because it is oil it won't hurt the engine. Don't quite agree, I would rather have just 100% oil running through my engine.
guydriver12
You took the words out of my fingertips.
The Ford Engineer was saying the increased oil level was from Diesel fuel that ends up in the oil pan. Just trying to be accurate about his comment. I do understand your point. But he was commenting on Diesel Fuel and because it is oil it won't hurt the engine. Don't quite agree, I would rather have just 100% oil running through my engine.
guydriver12
You took the words out of my fingertips.
Last edited by Paclik; Mar 21, 2005 at 06:20 PM.