How do I access Oasis?

 

Not everbody can do it.
You have to be "special".
It can only be accessed by dealership staff...
If you want a report, you can go to your local dealership and get one, and if they are a good dealer, they shouldn't charge you.

 

hmmm, The dealers near me are too indifferent for that kind of individual customer service quality.

 

firetail,

Without being there and having access to your truck, a dyno, and some diagnostic equipment, I am unable to assist any further.

I really hate suggesting this, but I feel your vehicle really should be "lemon lawed" if all the circumstances are as you said they are.
Your concerns are very real, and it is causing you financial burden, as well as the inconvenience of having the vehicle off the road.

I don't know much about the lemon law process (being from Australia...).
There are some threads on here about how to go about it though.
Just do a seach in the 6.0l forum for lemon law, or something like that.

Keep us posted on how you go, and if you need any assistance, someone here should be able to help.

BigF350

 

Firetail,
First, I understand what you are going through as I am also on that merry-go-round!
Second, I am ashamed about the way you were treated on this site until the other day. Several people here do not want to hear that their precious fords could have lemons or that Ford actually ignores people. Very few are willing to give the benefit of doubt until you PROVE what you say is true and are too quick to jump on the "troll" wagon. I came here and did what you did, vented big time, got slammed and then when I (and others) calmed down and started actually discussing the issues this site turned into a very helpfull family! Stick with these guys, trust me they will try to help as much as they can

That being said, I would suggest that you document everything that is said by you and and Ford personel as it seems you are on the lemon trail.... Research the lemon laws of your state and inforce them!
From what I can tell from the months I have been posting here what some are saying is true, the 6.0 lemons are way fewer than the good but when they are bad, boy are they bad!

Good luck sir, give these guys a chance......

 

The 2005 6.0 diesel engine is terrible.

t_j82...These are the very first words of firetail's post. At a Enthusiats site.

Followed by what was precieved to be outragous comments regarding unusual, multiple, repetitive failures.

Followed by questions from FTE members with slow to no response. Give us a break.

Second, I am ashamed about the way you were treated on this site until the other day. Several people here do not want to hear that their precious fords could have lemons or that Ford actually ignores people. Very few are willing to give the benefit of doubt until you PROVE what you say is true and are too quick to jump on the "troll" wagon. I came here and did what you did, vented big time, got slammed and then when I (and others) calmed down and started actually discussing the issues this site turned into a very helpfull family! Stick with these guys, trust me they will try to help as much as they can

That's BS and you know it. What we attack are the "6.0s are junk", "The 2005 6.0 diesel engine is terrible" and like comments. Total and complete bashing of this product is unfounded and is typically meant to dissuade even one person from buying one. And / or a means of venting frustration and striking out at anyone who would own a 6.0. Otherwisw why bring the comments here. Intent of the comments is what creates the provocation.

As you mentioned once you calmed down and stuck with the facts we became very supportive, even after you had a mis-step during your own DSB hearing that may have cost you the decision your were seeking.

Be ashamed if you want but, I for one am not. Though I did not directly attack firetail, I understand why others were initially suspicious.

Stick with these guys, trust me they will try to help as much as they can...
...Good luck sir, give these guys a chance......

I obviously agree whole heartily with this statement.

In addition, I have to say that in a commercial application I think firetail is SOL in regards to buybacks, DSBs, lemon law effectiveness etc....all states are different however, and my humble advise would be to at least begin researching the opportunites. He certainly has the documentation.

 

KW-5413I agree with your/my first impression and your reply was right on. I posted a 3 part really detailed list of symptoms with my truck. One reply and is totally understandable was "are you venting, want a fix or lawsuit?" something like that. First when we have trouble with our trucks, the response from Ford or Dealers is what sets the tone. My business, I also get really tired of hearing all the slams of the Heating units I service for the factory. The product, if installed properly will perform as designed. 99% of the bi*t*ing is caused by faulty installations. I see residential units installed in commercial applications all the time and if done right - no problem.
When it comes to Ford engineering and selling a product that is not intended for commercial use, that needs to be made very clear up front by the Dealer/Salesman. If anyone wants to check my list of problems, it is on Tim Larkin's, I think Problems/Mileage thread. I have always been a Ford guy, 54 Custom-auto, 57 Fairlane 500 -auto, 59 F100-manual, 72 F-250-manual, 4x2, 76 F-250-360 manual 4x4, 90 F-250 7.3-manual 4x4, 01 F-350 7.3-manual 4x4 (it was a lemon but instead of the lemon law route, I traded in wrote a check $23,200.00 to replace it ), and now 04 F-350-Torqueshift-6.0 4x4 CC lwb. I was sold on the torqueshift design behind the 6.0. I agree there are more out there that work great. However if Ford like the Manufacturer I do service for could just take care of their customers, it would go a long way for advertising. I really want to keep my truck, however after buying it and haveing a minor problem with idle surge. The factory had the service tech reflash my truck and removed the lower downshift portion of the Tow/Haul. Originally in Tow/Haul, slowing down and braking, it would downshift 5>4>3>2>1. It was a great design. Very smooth, I was 100% is love with my first automatic transmission in 40 years. It pulls my 30' houseboat, horse trailer, and 18' quad trailer loaded just fine. But after the reflash, that I would have never approved, they FMC screwed my truck up. High speed downshifts 60 mph skips from "Drive" to 3rd or 2nd gear. Nearly lost control of the truck and fullly loaded U-Haul trailer. In the past I ran heavy equipment, pulled 40' box trailers, Cats & Backhoes on heavy trailers with a Freightliner tractor. I guess I may be venting now, but I would like for just one time that Ford would just come clean and instead of looking at you like your a dumb *** and claiming you are the first with this problem is a insult to anyone's intelligence. Ford engineers say they can't reprogram the computers with the original control logic. I can't believe they throw those original cd's away. I don't know why they are so reluctant to restore the truck to whay they sold and I bought. If there is a problem with the original Tow/Haul logic, tell me, let me make the decision, do I want the new design or what. The 7 times it has had these unexpected high speed downshifts, it bangs the engine, transmission, transfer case and on and on. I guess it comes down to, was the torqueshift transmission designed to handle my intended use, if not and Ford had been straight with me I would have bought the 6-speed manual. I hope I don't sound like I am slamming Ford products, I just need the truck to do what it was represented to do.

 

Paclic, you post "the flash", When did you get it flashed? The most recent flash is pretty good and close to the original on mine. I have an early 03. I was happy until I got the Oct 03 flash. The Dec 03 didn't improve it much. But they came out with a new flash around November 04. It is a big improvement. Do you have the Nov 04 flash?

 

I agree...you guys need something positive from Ford. Anything would be a good start.

These vehicles should hold up to commercial use and the construction / landscape friends of mine truey are not having any issues with this engine.

BTW: My cousin has an '03 CC longbed dually 6.0 and he hauls cars also. No problems...hasn't even blown a turbo hose, coolant, or any C-94 injectors. He ain't mad enough to work at it as hard as firetail is so he doesn't drive 80,000 miles in a few months either.

Unfortunately, commercial vehicles typically do not have the legal protections in most states that we non-comercial users have.

 

I don't have time to sit by my computer and answer every question. I can do this several times a week.
Do my injectors have a pump that is suppose to be lubricating them???????????No one has ever mentioned this.
I agree with an earlier post also that many dealerships do not have a diesel tech who is uptodate with everything he should be.............Some of us suffer just because of that. I do know the tech that helped me in Fargo, ND does have people from all over the state and as far away as Kentucky coming to him.

Time to ge back on the road will check later for answer.
Thanks

 

There is a high pressure oil pump for the injection system and the injectors get lubrication from the fuel also. So oil and fuel quality are imporrtant to these engines. There are pressure sensors for fuel pressure and the oil pressure. It flat won't run without either.

 

around here, the Washington D.C area, you may not have as much trouble with trucks as in other areas! You see people here by a 1 ton dually 4dr 4x4 LOADED!! then use it to go to 7 eleven, or commute! its, look at me! mines bigger! But Firetail bought a truck and is using it like a truck! IT SHOULD LAST! I usually stay at the older f100 forums, but the problems with the 6.0s are interesting!

 

2004 F-350 6.0L
(Build date: Sept 03)
(Purchase date: Oct 28, 2003)
I had three Ford engineers fly out from Dearborn to check the truck on March 15, 2005. One or Two Transmission Engineers and One Engine Engineer and the local Field Engineer. I had to get to a job about a 100 miles away so had to leave it in their hands. I was not able to talk with them before they flew back. I have emailed Tony Lupa "Ford Engineer" I think he is their boss. So far no one has replied to my emails. The Ford Engineers flashed with what they call Service Level 6. The sticker under the hood says #3U7A- space -FUE. I think it is #3U7A-12650-FUE. I believe there is a later one and don't know why they didn't do the most recent one. They told me a new flash will be out this summer and I should get it done on my truck.

 

Interesting statement. The problem is extreme use/abuse and missed diagnosis.

I see the original posts bashing the 6.0 when in reality after all is said more is involved than originaly stated.

Firetail is real. His problem is real. 14 injecors is pointing to a problem not related to injector failure but something causing the injector to fail. This same injector problem caused severe oil dilution and engine replacment.The 6.0 is the most advanced diesel engine built by International. Cummins is having a fair share of problems along with the DMax.

Meeting the required emission standards brings equal head aches.
The 7.3 is dead because it never could meet emission standards.

 

Why don't we turn these immoral and indecent diesel truck and hummer gas wasting redneck drivers over to the politicians in D.C. where you are Puggies??!!

We can pass some kind of legislation to force people to ride bicycles..just like in Bejing!

Sounds great.