If you get the duramax with a manual it is the old power ratings, the new LLY motor is only with the auto.To me that says alot about thier manual.

 

Its the same manual that ford uses. Maybe this is the point. The zf really aint that great.
Ironman, You must forgive me but wasnt ford using the technology off of a wagon. Leaf sprung front ends have been popular for a few centuries. Its reliable as hell but old tech.
If the world thought like ford wed still be hauling with horses. Sounds rediculous to me too. Just thought I would point out how it sounds. You come up with some off the wall stuff. We can be having a rational discussion and then your out in left field. I can come up with nonsensical reasons why something is better or worse too.
Kind of reminds me of arguing with my wife. She pulls stuff out of left field too. No rational behind it. Just miscellaneous nonrelevant interjections.

Ironman. Do you know why ford payed to have Schindlers List played without commercials on public tv a few years back?

 

No worry you will end up booting yourself.........

 

Gents (and Ladies, Heretic, 351M):

Surprise! I own a Dodge-diesel. I also own a new Jan-2004 PSD. I'd paste a picture in this thing, but it only takes hyper-links to other web-stuff. Sure, it ain't the 2004.5 dodge. Yes, it's been an okay vehicle.

I came out to check some forums for good PSD gouge. Came across this forum, and ... lo and behold ... there's a bunch of Dodgers out spreading manure, BS and other heaping loads of garbage, making it sound like PSDs are limping along behind these vastly superior dodges. As an ENGINE engineer, and owner of both PSD and Cummins, I just could not let that pass.

I've shown/explained many things, and even done some calculations. All this glances off like water-off-teflon from the Dodgers backs. What can I say?

Several independent tow-tests have been shown confirming what I've been telling you.

I've come to the conclusion that, like women, the ladies here mostly like to yackity-yack. I'm spending most of my online time (when I get it) to look at the PSD and Excursion threads. I pop back in here occasionally to see what new Dodge-gossip the ladies are yacking about.

IRONMAN

 

They are actually hard to find on a lot and usually specail order only - manuals that is.

 

...hum if I want a car diesel...I'll by a VW

98% means they have sold 132 now

 

Hey DMAX-HD,
I just wanted to clarify something I said on the "why is Ford better than Chebbie" thread. I posted this there yesterday but the thread mysteriously disappeared so I don't know if you read it. Something I said early on the thread was Chevy has been kind of a joke in the diesel department and they will probably never live down the Isuzu thing. I also said I would choose a PSD over a Duramax without thinking and on your reply you assumed I own a 7.3 because of my name.

Well I prematurely judged the Duramax negatively and I retract my original statement. Chevy diesels ARE kind of a joke on here but only to the immature Ford advocates. Like the link you posted on here earlier says:
people who do judge this engine and dismiss it because of its design heritage do so at the peril of possibly missing out on an engine with very real economic benefits for those who use heavy duty trucks at work every day.

As for my name; no I do not own a 7.3. I work with my father and up until recently we were using a Ford 7.3 diesel for a work truck. We switched to a Vortec 6.0 Liter Silverado(thank god). We also "donated" that piece of fecal matter 7.3 to a poor soul who needed a vehicle(but now I feel even sorrier for the guy because he now has a bigger burden).

 

Sweetheart. Several tests Ive shown showed a different result. But it was like water off your back.
But I try to accept reality rather than make it fit my own preconceptions.

Because I appreciate a good I6 Im a ladie. Hmm. Back at you for being a lemming.

 

Food for thought.While at the Bandemeier Nationals a few weeks back I was browsing the different vendors and stopped to talk with a guy from Dodge who is running a Cummins Diesel in a dragster. It is a test mule engine that is a 2001 block, ALL STOCK bottom end and heads with 21k! They added an extra turbo, and increased boost to somewhere around 40 psi and it puts out 780 HP and 1700 lbs of torque. Sub 9's 1/4 mile times. Now I am a die hard Blue Oval, never owned a Dodge or Chevy, but that Cummins is one tough motor! It would be nice to see someone do the same with a PSD (7.3 preferably) and see what it can do and how well it holds up. All this discussion about wjo has a better diesel makes me laugh. Remenber that FORD, DODGE, CHEVY don't even build any diesels anymore. Kinda like John Force driving a MUstang with a HEMI (tell me you didn't know that all Funny cars run Hemi's)! I hate it and it makes no sense, but what can you do.

 

It has become very clear to me that Ironman is only posting results of tests that show the PSD as the clear winner when in reality both engines excel in totally different areas. Cummins has superior low end while the PSD is better in the Mid and high Rpms.

 

351M & Heretic:

Go pick a different application than plain-old stock 3/4 and 1 ton trucks for the Cummins. This category ... PSD has hands down. GMC saw the market for what it is, and has decided to compete w/ Ford. This is a PSD-Duramax debate. All the trades that favor the PSD and Duramax are what the 3/4 and 1 ton truck market need.

Take the Cummins, go get yourselves a 18 speed double over Fuller Transmission and go stick it in a medium to heavy truck and haul yourself 40,000 lbs of some rocks.

I own a Cummins. I own a PSD. The PSD is much better suited for my Excursion. If Ford offered a Cummins choice I would say no, give me the PSD.

Anyone who needs a Cummins ... needs an F-550/650 or bigger. 250/350/Excursion don't need 1000 ft-lbs of torque. I'd rather have my tires last 70,000 miles and have the torque that I have. It is just right (goldilocks). These beasts now drive like a car and work like a truck. We're fine with that.

Tell ya what. If I ever get in a situation where I suddenly realize ... dam ... I can't get this load moving. Gee, I'm 40 ft-lbs of torque short at 1400 rpm. I'll come back and stick a post on here and eat my words.

 

Now you just said why the Cummins is a well respected engine just like Cat, " Take the Cummins, go get yourselves a 18 speed double over Fuller Transmission and go stick it in a medium to heavy truck and haul yourself 40,000 lbs of some rocks". they are used for those apps day in and day out. and do a damn good job at that. Mabey one day when I find myself getting run off the road because I can't go as fast as anyone else or speed up quick enough and I find myself actually needing the PSD's high end power I'll post on here and let you all know. Sound good?

 

Post back when you get your 18 speed in a Dodge. Not to mention, that's not the same Cummins in the big rigs.

 

No but it is basically the same one as the Medium duty trucks.
Besides, I don't remember saying anything about putting an 18 speed into a Dodge.

 

It has become clear to me that Ironman has posted the most unbiased information and the most technical of anyone on FTE. Get over it. The PSD is the better engine in a light duty truck.