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Old Aug 25, 2004 | 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by DieselDonor7.3
Hey Logical, of the pre powerstroke 7.3s I've driven, I noticed the clutch was kind of sticky and clunky. Nearly impossible to shift smoothly. The only way I could get it to shift without lurching severely was to switch gears way too early before the rpms were very high. You have this problem at all?
Trannies behind diesels are inherrently heavy duty. They shift a bit clunky but they have to put up with a lot more than your average tranny. Other than a clutch mines doin fine at 200k. It was expensive to get the bucket of bolts out this far but I look at it this way. Ive replaced everything so its like having a new truck, right? LOL. Ive never heard a truck rattle more than this one. When your offroadin it sounds like an old boat in rough seas. Creaking and groaning. I do it sometimes just to entertain myself. I love this old truck.
Timing your shift with the proper application of throttle at the right time takes some practice. A newbie would have a hard time but you get in the zone and its a good combo. Wish I had another gear. For the big hills but as it is it can pull the biggest hill around here at better than 50mph loaded well past what it was meant to do. Gotta rap it out a bit but she chugs right along.
I researched putting a 12v in when the 7.3 quits and it takes too much work. Itd be the cats behind to me but If I devoted all my time to the project I could easily invest 3 full weeks into the swap. A friend of mine did it with an old chevy but I dont have the patience. I could pay to have it done but it could easily top 8000 dollars in labor. Too bad its cost and time prohibitive. Id be in seventh heaven.

Too bad ford is going to coils. Just more crud to replace further on down the road. Hope it doesnt wind up being a wanderer like dodges masterpiece front end. Your lucky if that old dodge will drive straight while still under the 36 bumper to bumper. LOL. Im curious to see if ford can avoid this. Im glad to see they both went to bigger brakes. It appears that dodge has the advantage with larger rear brake rotors. I might go look at the trucks again in 06. Just not quite ready yet. Maybe they will have the 6.4 out by then. I hear cummins has a 6.1 in the works too. Dodge is also bringing a mercedes transmission over. Id like to try a 6.4 torqueshift and a 6.1 mercedes. If they ever get it to market.
 

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Old Aug 25, 2004 | 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by FordLariat
No, GMC and Chevrolet put together do NOT outsell Ford, Ford sold (as of June this year) 432,969 trucks. GM and Chevy together sold 421,277. That's not more than Ford.
If you count the Avalance they do. But Fords claim is they sell the most of any line - which they do. Trucks overall - no

In todays world seperate buisness units is smart - e.g. Ford/Mercury.
 
Old Aug 25, 2004 | 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Marine Ironman
Ford & PSD win another independent evaluation:

http://horsecity.com/stories/111502/mrt_fordreview_KS.shtml
This article is kinda dated. But when I first read it, it was before the injector issues started 'flaring' up. The author of the article really stacked the deck against the compitetion. Testing a 4x2 against 4x4's. The PSD was quiter but that was before they turned off everbodies PI. And it seemed like he was comparing the tranny next to the Allison. I beleive all 3 motors have had updates since then. Your gonna have to do better then that Iman.

Heck of your post that article I'll post this 1.
http://www.pickuptruck.com/html/revi.../hd_drive.html
 
Old Aug 25, 2004 | 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by DMAX-HD
If you count the Avalance they do. But Fords claim is they sell the most of any line - which they do. Trucks overall - no

In todays world seperate buisness units is smart - e.g. Ford/Mercury.
I went and looked and yep. This year ford is selling more pickups. Must be the redesign of the f150. Up til june at least. Excluding the avalanche of course. Not to sure whether thats a pickup or an suv. I wouldnt call a subaru brat or elcamino a pickup. But they have beds same as a truck.
 

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Old Aug 25, 2004 | 06:32 PM
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[QUOTE=Marine Ironman] my 18,000 lbs trailer on the back of my F-550 may not roll, oh pity me.
Hello. McFly. Do we have a clue here? Please consult your GVCW limit to see what you can do, ladies.


Curious?? What are you getting at?

 
Old Aug 25, 2004 | 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Logical Heritic
This is usually when someone jumps in with the mcdonalds comparison.
And for the same market, fast food hamburgers, McDonald's is arguably the best one. Someone compared McDonald's to steak, but that's not a good comparison, you'd have to compare them to their market competitors, which is fast food hamburgers, and Mickey D's knows how to make them.
 
Old Aug 25, 2004 | 07:22 PM
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Im proud to say its been about 10 years since Ive ate that biohazard known as mickeyDees. Did you hear about the 30 day documentary?
 
Old Aug 25, 2004 | 07:44 PM
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You seen the documentaries on other fast food restaraunts? How do you compare McD's to them?
 
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Old Aug 25, 2004 | 08:25 PM
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Lariat, no need to start defending mcdonalds now they are all equally unhealthy and I'm sure Logical knows that he wasn't singling them out on the health issue. But Carls Jr. makes the best burger. Anyhow quit with trivial fast food crap thats how to get the thread locked.

Originally Posted by 351M
I am gonna agree that the Manual is a more efficient and reliable trans. than ANY auto. But the way this is going, Sixes are junk because they are smaller and slower than V8s? and I have to say that just because Ford is selling more trucks doesn't make them any better than the rest, if Dodge were selling more I am gonna bet that Ironman and a couple others would be the first ones to say the same thing about them. Just because they have higher sales don't make 'em better. This post seems to be headed to where someone is gonna say that the only reason Dodge's sales are as high as they are is because there are alot of stupid people right? Let me know if i'm wrong but it just seems to be where some of you are headed.
Something to think about. 90% of PSD buyers get the auto while 50% of Cummins owners get the Manual. The PSD auto is immensely popular so they must be doing something right. And DMAX-HD you obviously went with the Allison but how does the Duramax manual stack up? good or not? I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that the Allison probably way outsells the manual on the Chevy side to.
 
Old Aug 25, 2004 | 08:29 PM
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Sorry, Whataburger is the best!

GM doesn't sell many Duramax/manuals. It's even more rare than a PSD/manual nowadays.
 
Old Aug 25, 2004 | 11:59 PM
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GM has a manual with the D-max? LOL I have yet to see one of those. It seems that Dodge and Ford appear to different types of people. Not because of whose auto is better, Around here yes you are hard put to find a Ford with a manual but as was said before, most people just buy whats on the lot and Ford has been pushing the auto pretty hard. I was at the Mega sale here in town today, almost every car dealer is there in one place with almost every vehicle (new and used) on the lot. I only saw about 5 Rams with autos while there was about 2 Fords with manuals and they were both 450s. Not 1 GM with a manual except for 1 TopKick. I Mostly see farmers around various parts of Canada pulling with Dodges while the Fords seem to be pulling travel trailers etc.
 
Old Aug 26, 2004 | 12:11 AM
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GM sells 98% of their diesels with autos.
 
Old Aug 26, 2004 | 02:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Marine Ironman
my 18,000 lbs trailer on the back of my F-550 may not roll, oh pity me.
Hello. McFly. Do we have a clue here? Please consult your GVCW limit to see what you can do, ladies.


Curious?? What are you getting at?
My point here is that an F-650, with PSD (an option, yes) can pull 30,000 GCVW. It's not like the PSD can't tow some substantial weight. But according to the Dodge ladies, the PSD snaps it's puny little V8 crankshaft if you slap a box of toothpicks in the rear.

If the world thought like dodge ... we'd still be "dialing" telephones.
 
Old Aug 26, 2004 | 02:31 AM
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I never really asked this but why exactly are you so against Dodges Ironman? Is it just that you have too much pride to admit that they have a better diesel? or at least a very close competitor to the PSD? I personally have no problem with Fords, A buddy of mine is like you, his family had about 2 bad dodges and now only buy ford and chev products, he always says Fords Rule all etc. etc. I am just wondering how much real world experiance you have had with the Cummins 600 or any '02-present Dodge diesels. By the way you talk it seems that you won't even go try owning a Dodge you prefer to just look at the stuff you see on the net. I have been watching and listening and talking to people who own these new trucks, Both Ford and Dodge and have yet to hear anything bad about them except for the normal problems they face with a newer engine. I just can't remember reading where you ever had a late model Dodge or played with one to any extent to know if they really are junk.
 
Old Aug 26, 2004 | 02:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Marine Ironman
But according to the Dodge ladies, the PSD snaps it's puny little V8 crankshaft if you slap a box of toothpicks in the rear.
Thats true the crankshaft is pretty weak and thin. The Cummins is a more heavyduty engine all the way around. Oh and just so you know Ironman, I base my dislike of Ford off of a 1993 7.3, which would appear to be similar to how you judge Dodge as well. Hey we have more in common than I thought.
I'm just kidding guys... Tim don't boot me.
 

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